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To lift a 5 kg bag to a countertop 1 meter high, the work done can be calculated in two ways. The first method calculates work as 50 Joules, based on the force needed to lift the bag against gravity. The second method considers the net work as the change in potential energy, leading to a total work of 100 Joules when including the work done against gravity. Clarification is provided that the correct interpretation of work done by the person lifting the bag is indeed 50 Joules, while the work done by gravity is -50 Joules. The discussion emphasizes understanding the distinction between total work, work done by the person, and work done by gravity.
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Homework Statement



How much work must you perform to lift a 5 kg bag from the floor to the countertop, 1 meter above the floor?

2. The attempt at a solution

A. You could say that any force greater than the weight of the bag would lift it up. Thus, the weight is 50 N and the force should at least 50 N and above.

since W= F * d * cos(theta)
W = 50 * 1 * cos0 = 50 Joules

B. My classmates insist that this is the correct way. The net work is equal to the change in potential energy, and the total work includes: Work done by weight, and work done by the force...

Work of weight = 50 * 1 * cos180 = -50 Joules
deltaPotential energy = PE2 -PE1 = 50 - 0 = 50 Joules

W(total) = W(weight) + W(force) = deltaPE
-50 + W(force) = 50 joules ==> W(force) = 100 Joules


Can anyone tell me which answer is the correct one? It seems to me that the second answer would be correct if you pulled the bag up suddenly and let it go and it would then stop mid-air at 1 meter. Can anyone verify this? Thanks in advance :)
 
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Your answer is correct. If you are looking for total or net work, that's the change in KE (which is zero). But if you are looking for work done by you, which the question asks, that's the change in PE plus the change in KE which is 50 +0 = +50 J. If you are looking for the work done by the weight, that is the negative of the potential energy change, or -50 J.
 
PhanthomJay said:
Your answer is correct. If you are looking for total or net work, that's the change in KE (which is zero). But if you are looking for work done by you, which the question asks, that's the change in PE plus the change in KE which is 50 +0 = +50 J. If you are looking for the work done by the weight, that is the negative of the potential energy change, or -50 J.

Thanks for the reply :D

However I am confused as to why total work equals to the change in KE...

I would really appreciate it if you could explain it.
 
This involves a lot of formula manipulation...
We know that W = Fd and F = ma.
∴ W = mad

Solving for a from v22 = v12 + 2ad gives us
a = (v22 - v12)/2d

plugging that back into W = mad gives us
W = m[(v22 - v12)/2d]d
= \frac{1}{2}m(v22 - v12)
= \frac{1}{2}mv22 - \frac{1}{2}mv12

Notice anything familiar? \frac{1}{2}mv2 is our generic equation for KE.
\frac{1}{2}mv22 - \frac{1}{2}mv12 gives us ΔKE.

∴ W = ΔKE
 
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