Problem solving equation system

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving variables x, y, and lambda. The equations include linear relationships and a quadratic equation, with the ultimate goal of finding the distance from a curve to the origin.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts various arithmetic methods and substitutions but struggles to isolate variables. Some participants inquire about the specifics of the attempts made, while others suggest isolating y from one equation to substitute into another.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, exploring different approaches and questioning the original poster's methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding isolating variables and the implications of certain values of lambda, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster notes that the ultimate goal is to find the distance from the curve defined by the quadratic equation to the origin, indicating a connection to optimization methods such as Lagrange multipliers.

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Homework Statement



Solve this equation system for x, y and lambda.

\left\{\begin{matrix}<br /> 2x = \lambda (2x-6y)\\ <br /> 2y = \lambda(-6x-14y)\\ <br /> x^2-6xy-7y^2+80=0<br /> \end{matrix}\right.

The Attempt at a Solution



I really tried A LOT of things, but I can't solve it. I think it is not helpful to post here all the arithmetic ways I tried.

Thank you for the help!
 
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Can you just explain what you've tried so far?
 
rcgldr said:
Can you just explain what you've tried so far?

Thank you for your response, rcgldr.

I have tried simple substitution. Tried to come up with one equation of one variable from substituting, summing and manipulating the system's equations. But I could not get an equation of one variable, at least with the substitutions I tried.

I don't know if this helps, but the real problem is to find the distance from the curve to the origin. The curve is the last equation in the system. So I'm using Lagrange where the distance equation if the f(x,y) and the curve equation is the g(x,y). This system came up from gradient(x^2 + y^2) = Lambda * gradient(x^2 - 6xy -7y^2 + 80).
 
Isolate y from the first equation and substitute into the second. What do you get?

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Taturana said:

Homework Statement



Solve this equation system for x, y and lambda.

\left\{\begin{matrix}<br /> 2x = \lambda (2x-6y)\\ <br /> 2y = \lambda(-6x-14y)\\ <br /> x^2-6xy-7y^2+80=0<br /> \end{matrix}\right.

The Attempt at a Solution



I really tried A LOT of things, but I can't solve it. I think it is not helpful to post here all the arithmetic ways I tried.

Thank you for the help!

You can solve the first equation for x in terms of y and λ (although not for some, special values of λ---they would need separate treatment). Substituting that into the second equation gives you an equation of the form y*A(λ) = 0, so either y = 0 or A(λ) = 0.

RGV
 

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