Problems with a Charged Particle in a Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around the wavefunction of a charged particle in a magnetic field, focusing on the implications of the vector potential and gauge invariance in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the Hamiltonian formulation, the nature of observables, and the effects of different gauge choices on the wavefunction and energy states.

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  • One participant presents the Hamiltonian for a charged particle in a magnetic field and questions the nature of the vector potential as an observable due to its non-uniqueness under gauge transformations.
  • Another participant argues that the vector potential is not an observable, emphasizing that gauge transformations allow for arbitrary choices of the vector potential without affecting physical observables.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of choosing different vector potentials on the resulting wavefunctions, particularly in the context of a constant magnetic field and the resulting Hamiltonian forms.
  • Discussion includes the Aharonov-Bohm effect as an example where the vector potential leads to observable effects despite the absence of electric and magnetic fields in certain regions.
  • One participant cautions against interpreting wavefunctions too literally, suggesting that energy eigenstates may be superpositions of degenerate states, complicating the relationship between gauge choices and physical states.
  • A later reply questions whether there is a degenerate energy level for each gauge choice, seeking clarification on how different wavefunctions can correspond to the same physical state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the vector potential and its status as an observable, with some asserting it is not observable due to gauge invariance, while others explore its implications in quantum mechanics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the relationship between gauge choices and energy eigenstates.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of gauge transformations and their effects on wavefunctions, highlighting the need for careful interpretation of quantum states in the presence of magnetic fields. The discussion acknowledges the dependence on definitions and the subtleties involved in the relationship between classical and quantum descriptions.

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I was wondering about what the wavefunction of a particle in a magnetic field would look like, so after some quick work and a little research, I found the the Hamiltonian is

\hat{H} = \frac{(\hat{p}+qA)^{2}}{2m}

where A is the vector potential such that B=×A. I thought that the vector potential was a useful fiction, like the scalar potential for the electric field, as it is not unique (adding the gradient of a scalar field to the vector potential does not affect the magnetic field, for instance). However, does its presence as an operator on ψ not mean that it is in fact an observable?

I am further confused by the specific case of a constant magnetic field. Taking the field to be B along the z axis, it can be easily verified that the corresponding vector potential would be

A = cyi+dxj such that d-c = B

The choice of c and d would appear to be arbitrary (at least classically), however they seem to affect the wavefunction. Furthermore, taking c=0, d=B, the Schrödinger equation turns into the Hamiltonian of a free particle in the x direction, and the a simple harmonic oscillator in the y direction. This is not at all what I would have expected, since classically, the particle would be in simple harmonic motion in both direction (circular motion). Why does this apparently arbitrary choice of A seem to make the particle unbound in the x direction?
 
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The vector potential is not an observable, for the reason you mention: you could make it whatever you want just by a gauge transformation.

consider \vec{A}=B_{0}y\hat{x}\implies \vec{B}=-B_{0}\hat{z} this is a legit vector potential.
<br /> \hat{H}=\frac{1}{2m}\left( p^2 + q\vec{A}\cdot\vec{p} + q\vec{p}\cdot\vec{A} + q^2 A^2 \right)=\frac{1}{2} \left( \hat{p}^2 + 2q B_{0}\hat{y} \, \hat{p}_{x} + q^2 B_{0}^{2}\hat{y}^2 \right)<br />
where the hats denote operators at the end, not unit vectors, and [\hat{y},\hat{p}_{x}]=0.
 
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phi1123 said:
I thought that the vector potential was a useful fiction, like the scalar potential for the electric field, as it is not unique (adding the gradient of a scalar field to the vector potential does not affect the magnetic field, for instance). However, does its presence as an operator on ψ not mean that it is in fact an observable?

In classical E&M we tend to take the view that E and B are fundamental, and A is a useful derived quantity. In quantum mechanics, for the reason you've found, we tend to take the view that A is fundamental and E and B are useful derived quantities. For example, see the Aharanov-Bohm effect, where a nonzero A causes quantum mechanical effects even when E and B are zero in the entire region of the experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharanov-Bohm_effect

That said, A itself is not an observable, because you can make it whatever you want by a gauge transformation. Only quantities that are unchanged by gauge transformations are observable. These include, for example, closed line integrals of the A field, which are the quantities measured in the Aharanov-Bohm effect.

phi1123 said:
Furthermore, taking c=0, d=B, the Schrödinger equation turns into the Hamiltonian of a free particle in the x direction, and the a simple harmonic oscillator in the y direction. This is not at all what I would have expected, since classically, the particle would be in simple harmonic motion in both direction (circular motion). Why does this apparently arbitrary choice of A seem to make the particle unbound in the x direction?

I think you have to be careful about interpreting the wave functions here. First, the energy eigenstates you find may be superpositions of many degenerate eigenstates. So if you find delocalized eigenstates, that doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't a different basis of localized eigenstates that look like the classical orbiting electrons. Second, the physical momentum operator is no longer the gradient operator, so a plane wave does not necessarily represent a particle traveling unimpeded in a certain direction.
 
This is one of the most fascinating topics. Gauge invariance rules a lot of elementary particle physics, and electromagnetism is of course just the most simple case of such a theory. A very nice paper about gauge invariance, the AB effect, etc. is

Wu, T. T., and Yang, C. N. Concept of nonintegrable phase factors and global formulation of gauge fields. Phys. Rev. D 12 (1975), 3845.
http://link.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v12/i12/p3845
 
However, does its presence as an operator on ψ not mean that it is in fact an observable?
In all cases,gauge invariance is preserved i.e. it will be only line integral of A(over closed loop) which will be observable and not the A.
 
Okay, so I guess I'm still confused by the whole choice of Gauge thing. You say:

The_Duck said:
The energy eigenstates you find may be superpositions of many degenerate eigenstates

Does this mean that there is a degenerate energy level for each choice of Gauge? If not, how does the same state correspond to several different wavefunctions?
 

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