Problems with integration by parts

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The discussion revolves around challenges with integration by parts, specifically in the context of integrating functions involving polynomials, trigonometric functions, and exponentials. Participants are exploring various integration problems and the strategies involved in applying integration by parts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to apply integration by parts to several integrals but expresses uncertainty about the next steps, particularly in handling the resulting integrals. Some participants suggest using integration by parts again or considering substitutions. There is also discussion about the complexity of choosing appropriate 'u' and 'dv' in certain integrals.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problems, offering suggestions and alternative approaches. There is a recognition of different methods to tackle the same integral, and while some guidance has been provided, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach for all problems.

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Participants are navigating through the challenges of integration by parts, with some expressing confusion about specific integrals and the effectiveness of various substitutions. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and preferences in solving integration problems.

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Hi all! I seem to be having trouble doing integration by parts. I seem to have a pretty clear picture of the steps I need to do but something seems to always trick me. Usually I would ask my prof but she is away for a week.

I use the formula: uv - ∫vdu = given integration

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given integration = uv - ∫vdu

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Problem 1. Integrate! ∫(x^2) cosmx dx
u = x^2 -> du = 2x dx
dv = cosmxdt -> v = (1/m)sinmx

Use : uv - ∫vdu
(x^2) (1/m)sinmx - ∫(1/m)(sin(mx)) 2x dx
I pull the constants out
(x^2) (1/m)sinmx - (2 /m) ∫ (sin(mx)x) dx
I’m not sure what to do next… can I use the integration by parts again? Maybe using substitution?

Problem 2. Integrate! ∫t(sec(2t)^2) dt
U = t -> du = 1*dt
Dv = (sec(2t))^2 dt -> v = (½)(tan2t)
Use : uv - ∫vdu
t*(½)(tan2t) - ∫(½)(tan2t)dt
simplify a little
t/2(tan2t) – 1/2∫(tan2t)dt
I’m not sure what to do with the last term…. not sure how to integrate tan2t

Problem 3. Integrate! ∫(e^2x)sin3x dx
Not sure what to choose for u… usually I pick something that will simplify when I take the derivative. In this case (e^2x) does not simplify anything and sin3x just becomes 3cos3x which is more complex.

Any help would be appreciated!

Tjvelcro
 
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Problem 1. Integrate! ∫(x^2) cosmx dx
u = x^2 -> du = 2x dx
dv = cosmxdt -> v = (1/m)sinmx

Use : uv - ∫vdu
(x^2) (1/m)sinmx - ∫(1/m)(sin(mx)) 2x dx
I pull the constants out
(x^2) (1/m)sinmx - (2 /m) ∫ (sin(mx)x) dx
I’m not sure what to do next… can I use the integration by parts again? Maybe using substitution?

Yeah use by parts for get rid of the x in ∫ (sin(mx)x)dx then simply integrate cos(mx).

Problem 2. Integrate! ∫t(sec(2t)^2) dt
U = t -> du = 1*dt
Dv = (sec(2t))^2 dt -> v = (½)(tan2t)
Use : uv - ∫vdu
t*(½)(tan2t) - ∫(½)(tan2t)dt
simplify a little
t/2(tan2t) – 1/2∫(tan2t)dt
I’m not sure what to do with the last term…. not sure how to integrate tan2t

∫(tan2t)dt is something you would find on an integral table, but I'm not a fan of them.

tanx = sinx / cos x

u = sinx
du = cosx dx

Remember cos^2(x) = 1- sin^2(x)

Problem 3. Integrate! ∫(e^2x)sin3x dx
Not sure what to choose for u… usually I pick something that will simplify when I take the derivative. In this case (e^2x) does not simplify anything and sin3x just becomes 3cos3x which is more complex.


This kind of integral usually just flips around and back since derievative of e^x and sinx still involve e^x and cosx and sinx respectively.

Set I = ∫(e^2x)sin3x dx

∫(e^2x)sin3x dx = (1/2)(e^2x)sin3x dx + 3/2 ∫(e^2x)cos3x dx

We can do the some thing with ∫(e^2x)cos3x dx and we will end up with our original integrand of ∫(e^2x)sin3x dx
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
∫(tan2t)dt is something you would find on an integral table, but I'm not a fan of them.

tanx = sinx / cos x

u = sinx
du = cosx dx

That would be extremely difficult, considering you'd end with du in the denominator...

Try the substitution...

u=cos(x)
du = - sin(x) dx

instead. It will work out far better, and you won't need any more trig identities, except perhaps...

sec(x) = \frac{1}{cos(x)}
 
Char. Limit said:
That would be extremely difficult, considering you'd end with du in the denominator...

Try the substitution...

u=cos(x)
du = - sin(x) dx

instead. It will work out far better, and you won't need any more trig identities, except perhaps...

sec(x) = \frac{1}{cos(x)}

What ?
∫(tan2t)dt

tanx = sinx / cos x

∫tanxdx

u = sinx
du = cosx dx
du/cosx =dx

∫u/(1-u^2) du -- This is a simple patial fractions.
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
What ?
∫(tan2t)dt

tanx = sinx / cos x

∫tanxdx

u = sinx
du = cosx dx
du/cosx =dx

∫u/(1-u^2) du -- This is a simple patial fractions.

And my substitution gives a simple -1/u du. Integrate to -ln(u)+C and unsubstitute. No partial fractions at all.
 
Well great, you have an even quicker solution ! I was just a bit puzzled when you said my suggestion would be extremely difficult.
 
╔(σ_σ)╝ said:
Well great, you have an even quicker solution ! I was just a bit puzzled when you said my suggestion would be extremely difficult.

I neglected to consider the trig identity you used. TBH, I actually automatically go from \int tan(u) du to the solution.
 
Of course, everyone has a different way of approaching a problem. Heck, if you asked me on a different day ,this same question , I may provide a different substitution/solution .

I have to admit your solution is more enticing.
 

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