Problems with lagged turbo and exhaust systems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential effects of lagging turbo and exhaust systems on turbocharger performance and longevity. Participants explore concerns related to heat retention, oil viscosity, and the implications of these factors on turbo failure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether lagging a turbo and exhaust system could lead to turbo failure due to heat retention affecting the expansion of components and oil viscosity.
  • Another participant references historical issues with early turbo designs, noting that excess heat could damage bearings and suggesting idling before shutdown as a preventative measure.
  • A participant mentions experiencing oil inside the turbine unit after lagging, indicating a potential expansion issue related to the bearings.
  • It is suggested that keeping the compressor section cooler could mitigate the effects of turbine heat on the bearings, and that leaving the bearing uncovered might improve cooling, though it could complicate the lagging installation.
  • There is acknowledgment that oil viscosity decreases at higher temperatures, with a mention of specialized oil formulations that maintain properties at elevated temperatures, particularly in aero engines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying concerns about the effects of lagging on turbo performance, with some agreeing on the potential for heat-related issues while others provide historical context and alternative solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to mitigate these issues.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of managing heat in turbo systems and the potential for oil viscosity changes at high temperatures, but specific assumptions about the effects of lagging and the nature of the oil issues remain unverified.

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hello,
does anyone know if lagging a turbo and exhaust system would cause failure of the turbo. my thought is that on the lagged turbos the heat can not disperse causing early failure due to expansion of the casing, bearings and shafts. could it also effect the oil viscosity ?

any thoughts please,

DAL
 
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Not sure if it helps any, but the first generation of auto engine turbos about 25 years back had the problem of excess heat frying the turbo bearings after engine shutdown. So the suggestion was to not turn off the engine right after driving, but to let it idle for a minute. Longer term, I believe the fix was to add a little oil reservoir to the bearing circuit, so the system could cope with the extra heat.
Given that the exhaust gas turbine which drives the compressor can run red hot, it is unlikely that lagging the components will introduce extraordinary additional stresses.
 
thanks for that, were having problems with our turbos after being lagged this is a resent upgrade. after we run them up were finding oil inside the unit where the turbine is any thoughts.
 
Oil inside the turbine unit pretty much has to come from the bearings, so there is an expansion issue in your case.
Usually in these installations one tries to keep the compressor section as cool as possible, no matter what the turbine temperature, so the bearing does not see the full turbine heat.
So there might be some improvement if the bearing is left uncovered, so it can cool down at a better pace, but it may impact the lagging installation.
Separately, you are quite right that the oil viscosity declines substantially at higher temperatures. There are specialized formulations that maintain their properties at higher temperatures, used in aero engines particularly.
You may need to consider these if you cannot fix the problem with alterations to the setup.
 

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