Product of Quotient Groups Isomorphism

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The discussion revolves around the isomorphism of quotient groups in group theory, specifically examining the product of quotient groups. Participants are exploring the properties of functions defined between groups and their implications for injectivity and surjectivity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss attempts to define functions between groups and analyze their properties, including injectivity and surjectivity. Questions arise about the definitions and implications of homeomorphisms versus homomorphisms, and the relevance of various theorems in the context of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's understanding of key concepts. Some participants suggest that there may be missing information in the problem, while others are exploring the applicability of specific theorems related to group products.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding terminology, specifically between homeomorphisms and homomorphisms, which may impact the clarity of the discussion. Additionally, assumptions about the nature of the groups involved are being questioned.

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Homework Statement



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The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried to use the natural epimorphism from G x G x ... x G to (G x G x ... x G)/(K1 x K2 x ... x Kn), but I do not believe that this is an injective function. Then I tried to use a function f from G to (G/K1) x (G/K2) x ... x (G/Kn) defined by f(g) = (k1g, k2g, ..., kng) for all g in G. I found that this function was injective (and a homomorphism) but not surjective. I've also been trying to find a way to use the first isomorphism theorem, but with no luck. Any hints would be greatly appreciated!
 

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How can something be a homeomorphism and not be subjective? It was my understanding that a homeomorphism is a bi-continuous function. That is, it is a continuous function with a continuous inverse. If its invertible then it is both surjective and injective (both the function and its inverse). Was that a typo?

As for the problem I think (G/K1) x (G/K2) x ... x (G/Kn) defined by f(g) = (k1g, k2g, ..., kng) for all g in G is a good start. But what theorems (if any) have you developed so far in this context?
 
stephenkeiths said:
How can something be a homeomorphism and not be subjective? It was my understanding that a homeomorphism is a bi-continuous function. That is, it is a continuous function with a continuous inverse. If its invertible then it is both surjective and injective (both the function and its inverse). Was that a typo?

What do homeomorphisms and topology have to do with this? :confused:
This is a group theory question, not topology. You do know what a homomorphism is, right? If not, then maybe you should not answer questions like this.
 
tylerc1991 said:

Homework Statement



I have attached the problem below.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried to use the natural epimorphism from G x G x ... x G to (G x G x ... x G)/(K1 x K2 x ... x Kn), but I do not believe that this is an injective function. Then I tried to use a function f from G to (G/K1) x (G/K2) x ... x (G/Kn) defined by f(g) = (k1g, k2g, ..., kng) for all g in G. I found that this function was injective (and a homomorphism) but not surjective. I've also been trying to find a way to use the first isomorphism theorem, but with no luck. Any hints would be greatly appreciated!

I think there is something missing in the problem. If you take K_1=K_2=\{e\}, then this gives G\sim G\times G. This is surely not true in general.
 
i misread homo as homeo. That confused me as much as my post confused you. And questioning whether or not I know a homomorphism is a function f:(G1,*)->(G2,~) such that f(g1*g2)=f(g1)~f(g2) for any g1,g2 in G1 hardly seems helpful.

And its my intuition that you'll have to use the 2nd isomorphism theorem also (or some theorem about products). Do you have any more specific theorems about products?
 

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