Products and Sums and Proofs....oh, my

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The discussion revolves around proving a mathematical identity involving products and sums, specifically the expression $$\prod_{j=2}^n\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{n+2}{3n}$$. Participants explore various approaches to the proof, including mathematical induction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the identity to be proven and initiates the discussion.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on a missing component in a summation, indicating a potential oversight in the original post.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction of the oversight and expresses gratitude for the input.
  • One participant outlines a proof using mathematical induction, detailing the steps for base cases and the inductive step.
  • Another participant provides an alternative manipulation of the expression, suggesting a different approach to arrive at the same result.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the contributions of others and mentions using induction as well.

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Participants present various methods and steps toward proving the identity, but there is no explicit consensus on a single approach or resolution of the proof's validity.

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Some steps in the proofs are not fully detailed, and there may be assumptions regarding the summation and product notation that are not explicitly stated.

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Prove that:

$$\prod_{j=2}^n\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{n+2}{3n}$$
 
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Re: products and sums and proofs...oh, my!

$$\sum_{k=1}^{j}\underbrace{\phantom{e^{-x^{2}}}}_{\text{What goes here?}}$$
 
Re: products and sums and proofs...oh, my!

Ackbach said:
$$\sum_{k=1}^{j}\underbrace{\phantom{e^{-x^{2}}}}_{\text{What goes here?}}$$

I have fixed my OP to include that important piece of information. Thank you for catching this error. :D
 
MarkFL said:
Prove that:

$$\prod_{j=2}^n\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{n+2}{3n}$$
$1-\dfrac {1}{1+2+3+----+n}=1-\dfrac {2}{n(n+1)}$
I will use mathematical induction method to prove it
(it is easier)
j=2
$1-\dfrac{2}{6}=\dfrac {4}{6}$
j=3
$(1-\dfrac{2}{6})\times (1-\dfrac{2}{12})=\dfrac {5}{9}$
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suppose j=n-1
$(1-\dfrac{2}{6})\times (1-\dfrac{2}{12})\times ------\times (1-\dfrac {2}{(n-1)n})=\dfrac {n+1}{3(n-1)}$
then j=n
$(1-\dfrac{2}{6})\times (1-\dfrac{2}{12})\times --\times (1-\dfrac {2}{(n-1)n})\times (1-\dfrac {2}{n(n+1)})$
$=\dfrac {n+1}{3(n-1)}\times (1-\dfrac {2}{n(n+1)})=\dfrac {n+2}{3n}$
so the proof is completed
 
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1−1/(1+2+3+−−−−+n)=1−2/(n(n+1))
= (n(n+1) - 2)/(n(n+1) = (n+2)(n-1)/(n(n+1)

by multiplying out we get the result
 
I wish to thank everyone that participated! (Yes)

I also used induction...

First, show the base case $P_2$ is true:

$$\prod_{j=2}^2\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{2+2}{3(2)}$$

$$1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^2(k)}=\frac{4}{6}$$

$$1-\frac{1}{1+2}=\frac{2}{3}$$

$$\frac{2}{3}=\frac{2}{3}$$

Thus, the base case is true. Next, state the induction hypothesis $P_n$:

$$\prod_{j=2}^n\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{n+2}{3n}$$

As the inductive step, multiply by:

$$1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^{n+1}(k)}=\frac{n(n+3)}{(n+1)(n+2)}$$

and we have:

$$\prod_{j=2}^{n+1}\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{n+2}{3n}\left(\frac{n(n+3)}{(n+1)(n+2)} \right)$$

$$\prod_{j=2}^{n+1}\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{1}{3n}\left(\frac{n(n+3)}{n+1} \right)$$

$$\prod_{j=2}^{n+1}\left(1-\frac{1}{\sum\limits_{k=1}^j(k)} \right)=\frac{(n+1)+2}{3(n+1)}$$

We have derived $P_{n+1}$ from $P_n$ thereby completing the proof by induction.
 

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