Projectile motion: Bi level equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a specific equation related to projectile motion, expressed as tanα = (a + b) / a, where α is the launch angle, b is the height of the platform, and a is the horizontal distance to the platform. Participants explore the validity and implications of this equation, seeking proofs and clarifications regarding its accuracy and application in various scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation and seeks proof, noting it is a close approximation for determining launch angles in projectile motion.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the equation and its validity, particularly when a equals b, which leads to a zero launch angle.
  • A different example is provided involving baseball, where a participant calculates the launch angle using the equation and compares it to traditional methods, suggesting it yields a close approximation.
  • Concerns are raised about the dependency of the launch angle on the projectile's speed, with a participant indicating that the equation's effectiveness may vary with different speeds.
  • There is acknowledgment of the limitations of the equation when certain conditions are met, such as when a equals b.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the equation's validity and its applications. While some find it a useful approximation, others challenge its assumptions and limitations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation may not hold under all conditions, particularly when specific values for a and b are used. The discussion also highlights the dependency of the launch angle on the initial speed of the projectile, which has not been fully explored.

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Individuals interested in projectile motion, mathematical modeling in physics, and those exploring approximations in kinematic equations may find this discussion relevant.

Risker
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This isn't really a homework question, but rather general interest.
I cam across a curious equation the other day,[tex]tan\alpha =\frac{a+b}{a}[/tex]

Where alpha is the launch angle of the projectile b is the height of the platform its being shot onto and a is the distance from the launch to the platform.
For example if you where playing golf and trying to hit the ball over a 1m high fence which was 5m away b=1 and a=5.

I was wondering if anyone knew the proof to this equation, i cannot find it anywhere.
It is not exact but it is a very very close approximation.
Thanks everyone.
 
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Risker said:
It is not exact but it is a very very close approximation.
A close approximation to what?

I've never seen this and it doesn't seem to make much sense. What is it's purpose? What if a = b? It gives a zero launch angle.

Where did you see it? Do you have a reference?
 
For example if you were playing baseball, and needed to hit it 21.260 Meters. The launch height is 1.3 meters.
using the formula;
b=-1.3 a=21.260
[tex]\alpha=tan^-1 (\frac{21.260-1.3}{21.260}[/tex]

[tex]\alpha=43.194 (5sf)[/tex]

This is a very close approximation for the launch angle, which is 43 degrees
A colleague showed me this curious equation, she also had no idea why it worked.

Lets try again; You're launching at 43 degrees and needed a range of 21.260, what's required initial height?
[tex]b=(a)tan\alpha -a[/tex]
[tex]b=(21.260)tan(43) -21.260[/tex]
[tex]b=-1.435[/tex] (4sf)
Hence height required is 1.435m which is close to the 1.3 proven by traditional means.

If a=b then there is an obvious limitation.
 
Risker said:
This is a very close approximation for the launch angle, which is 43 degrees
How did you calculate the launch angle of 43 degrees?
 
I assumed a launch speed of 14ms-1 and used equations of motion.
I shall write it up for you in latex tomorrow morning (10 hours from now, I'm Australian.)
 
Risker said:
I assumed a launch speed of 14ms-1 and used equations of motion.
I shall write it up for you in latex tomorrow morning (10 hours from now, I'm Australian.)
No need. As long as you realize that the launch angle depends on the speed of the projectile.
 
Thats why it is so strange that the equation works!
 
Risker said:
Thats why it is so strange that the equation works!
Well, change your assumed speed and see what happens.
 

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