Projectile Motion with different starting and ending heights

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A motorcyclist must determine the minimum initial velocity needed to jump from a ramp inclined at 53 degrees to a ledge 40 meters away and 15 meters below. The equations of motion for horizontal and vertical components are essential, particularly since the vertical launch speed is not zero. The initial attempt incorrectly used a simplified formula for time, leading to confusion about the relationship between vertical displacement, time, and initial speed. The discussion emphasizes the need for two equations to solve for the two unknowns: initial speed and time. Proper application of projectile motion equations is crucial for finding the correct initial velocity.
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Homework Statement



A motorcyclist is going off an incline 53 degrees above the horizontal. He wants to land on a ledge 40 meters from the ledge he is launching off of, 15 meters below the edge of the ramp he is laughing off of. Δx = 40m. Δy = -15m. What is the minimum initial velocity he needs to go off the ramp at to barely make the jump?

Homework Equations



Vx = Vocos53
Ag = 9.8 m/s^2
Voy = Vosin53
x = Vx(t)
t = ?
y = yo + Voy(t)-1/2(a)(t)^2


The Attempt at a Solution



If this was a horizontal launch it'd be very simple, but I have no idea what to do with launching off an incline. I tried:

t = square root (2d/a) = square root ((2*15)/9.8) = 1.75 sec

x = Vx(t) therefore 40 = Vx(1.75) ; Vx = 22.86 m/s

Then; Vo = Vx/cos53 = Vo = 22.66/cos53 = 37.99 m/s. The book says this is wrong and I have no idea what to do.
 
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kayman121 said:
t = square root (2d/a) = square root ((2*15)/9.8) = 1.75 sec

t does not equal the square root of 2d/a because the initial vertical speed is not 0. Do you know which equation 2d/a came from? Use that equation; you now have an equation relating vertical displacement (15 m), time, and initial speed. There's one other equation that you need, and it's relating to horizontal speed.
 
ideasrule said:
t does not equal the square root of 2d/a because the initial vertical speed is not 0. Do you know which equation 2d/a came from? Use that equation; you now have an equation relating vertical displacement (15 m), time, and initial speed. There's one other equation that you need, and it's relating to horizontal speed.

Unfortunately, that leaves 2 unknowns in 1 equation. The unknowns being initial speed and time.
 
I said that you need one other equation--namely, the one relating to horizontal speed.
 
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