Projective Algebraic Geometry - Exercise 4(a) Cox et al - Section 8.1

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The discussion centers on Exercise 4(a) from Chapter 8, Section 1 of "Ideals, Varieties and Algorithms" by David Cox, John Little, and Donal O'Shea, specifically regarding the equation $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ in projective space $$\mathbb{P}^2(\mathbb{R})$$. Participants emphasize the need to rigorously demonstrate that this equation represents a well-defined curve in projective space and its relationship to the curve $$x^2 - y^2 = 1$$ in $$\mathbb{R}^2$$. Key insights include the necessity of verifying that different homogeneous coordinates represent the same curve in projective space, as outlined in the text following Definition 3 in the book.

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  • Understanding of projective geometry concepts, particularly projective space $$\mathbb{P}^2(\mathbb{R})$$.
  • Familiarity with algebraic curves and their representations in both $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ and projective space.
  • Knowledge of homogeneous coordinates and their role in projective geometry.
  • Basic understanding of the definitions and theorems presented in "Ideals, Varieties and Algorithms".
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  • Study the "Plane Projective Curves" section on Wikipedia for foundational knowledge on algebraic curves.
  • Review Definition 3 in "Ideals, Varieties and Algorithms" to understand the criteria for well-defined curves in projective spaces.
  • Explore examples of transforming algebraic curves from $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ to $$\mathbb{P}^2(\mathbb{R})$$.
  • Investigate the implications of homogeneous coordinates in projective geometry through additional academic resources.
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I am reading the undergraduate introduction to algebraic geometry entitled "Ideals, Varieties and Algorithms: An introduction to Computational Algebraic Geometry and Commutative Algebra (Third Edition) by David Cox, John Little and Donal O'Shea ... ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 8, Section 1: The Projective Plane ... ... and need help getting started with Exercise 4(a) ... Exercise 4 in Section 8.1 reads as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/5738Can someone please help me with Exercise 4(a) ... ... indeed, what is actually involved in (rigorously) showing that the equation $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ is a well-defined curve in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ ... but I am very unsure of exactly how this works ... ... Presumably, what is involved is not only (rigorously) showing that the equation $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ is a well-defined curve in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ but showing that $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ is the representation in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ of the curve $$x^2 - y^2 = 1$$ in $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ ... ... ?Indeed whatever the meaning of the question, I would like to be able to show that the curve $$x^2 - y^2 = 1$$ in $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ becomes the curve $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ ... indeed I think this is true ... BUT ... how do you rigorously show this ...

Further I would like to understand the general approach for taking an algebraic curve in $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ and finding the corresponding curve in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ ... ... BUT ... how is this done ...Hope someone can help ... ...Peter

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Hi Peter,

Peter said:
Can someone please help me with Exercise 4(a) ... ... indeed, what is actually involved in (rigorously) showing that the equation $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ is a well-defined curve in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ ... but I am very unsure of exactly how this works ... ...

Whenever you see "well-defined" in some sort of quotient space it means that you must check that a particular choice of representative element for a member of the quotient is irrelevant at the courser level detail offered by the quotient space.

In exercise 4(a) you must show that if $(x,y,z)$ and $(x',y',z')$ are homogeneous coordinates for the curve $C,$ then they actually described the same curve $C$ in projective space. This is done in a similar fashion to what the authors outline after Definition 3.
Peter said:
Indeed whatever the meaning of the question, I would like to be able to show that the curve $$x^2 - y^2 = 1$$ in $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ becomes the curve $$x^2 - y^2 = z^2$$ in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ ... indeed I think this is true ... BUT ... how do you rigorously show this ...

Further I would like to understand the general approach for taking an algebraic curve in $$\mathbb{R}^2$$ and finding the corresponding curve in $$\mathbb{P}^2 ( \mathbb{R} )$$ ... ... BUT ... how is this done ...

I believe you can find the answer to your question in the "Plane Projective Curves" section of this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_curve
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,
Whenever you see "well-defined" in some sort of quotient space it means that you must check that a particular choice of representative element for a member of the quotient is irrelevant at the courser level detail offered by the quotient space.

In exercise 4(a) you must show that if $(x,y,z)$ and $(x',y',z')$ are homogeneous coordinates for the curve $C,$ then they actually described the same curve $C$ in projective space. This is done in a similar fashion to what the authors outline after Definition 3. I believe you can find the answer to your question in the "Plane Projective Curves" section of this Wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_curve
Thanks GJA ... most helpful ...

Re-reading the relevant part of Cox et al and studying the Wikipedia entry ...

Thanks again,

Peter
 

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