Proof of a simple logic statement

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The discussion centers on the logical statement "∀x ∈ S ↔ ∃x ∉ S," which is deemed false. A proof by contradiction is proposed, showing that the negation of the existence of an element outside S contradicts the existence of an element within S. Participants clarify that the original statement is not well-formed in first-order logic and suggest a more accurate formulation: "∀x ∈ S ↔ ¬(∃x ∉ S)." The consensus is that the statement's validity hinges on proper logical structure and interpretation.
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Homework Statement


\forall x \in S <-> \exists x \not \in S

The Attempt at a Solution


The statement is clearly false.
I will try to show that by the proof of contradiction.

Let
P: \forall x \in S
and
Q: \exists x \not\in S

The negation of Q is
negQ: \forall x \not\in S
and the negation of P is
negP: \exists x \in S.

negQ means that all x are not in S, while negP means that there is one x in S.
This is a contradiction.

Therefore, the original statement must be false.

Is my proof correct?
 
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Your statement is a bit odd.
"For all x in S, is equivalent to there exists an x such that there exists an S"
What is on the right hand side? What does x exist in and there exist x and S such that what?In first-order logic, your statement is not a well-formed formula :-p
 
CompuChip said:
"For all x in S, is equivalent to there exists an x such that there exists an S"
What is on the right hand side? What does x exist in and there exist x and S such that what?

The statement should be "For all x in S, is equivalent to there does not exist an x in S."

The rest of the proof is also now as I want.
 
CompuChip said:
Your statement is a bit odd.
"For all x in S, is equivalent to there exists an x such that there exists an S"
What is on the right hand side? What does x exist in and there exist x and S such that what?


In first-order logic, your statement is not a well-formed formula :-p

I agree with you. The statement is still false.

Perhaps, the initial statement should be
\forall x \in S <=> \neg(\exists x \not \in S)

It means that: all x in S is equivalent with the negation of the statement that
there exists x not in S.
 
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