Proof of Prüfer Group Non-Existence

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The discussion centers on proving that the given group presentation does not represent a Prüfer group. It highlights that the conditions for the Prüfer group require specific relationships between the generators, particularly that \(x_i^p = x_{i-1}\) for \(i = 1, 2, 3, \ldots\). The argument presented indicates that the proposed relations lead to inconsistencies, particularly regarding the ability to take p-th roots. Additionally, an alternative approach suggests demonstrating that an epimorphism from an infinitely generated abelian free subgroup does not align with the properties of the Prüfer group. The conclusion emphasizes the necessity of adhering to the Prüfer group's defining characteristics.
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proove that
< x0 , x1 , . . . | [xi , xj ] = 1, i, j, ∈ N_0 ; x0^p = 1 ; (xi) ^ (p ^ i) = x0 , i ∈ N > is not presentation of Prüfer group
 
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charlamov said:
proove that
< x0 , x1 , . . . | [xi , xj ] = 1, i, j, ∈ N_0 ; x0^p = 1 ; (xi) ^ (p ^ i) = x0 , i ∈ N > is not presentation of Prüfer group


Please do learn quickly how to type in LaTeX in this site: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=546968

I'll try to edit your post (and, perhaps, address it):

Prove (please, of course), that \langle x_0,x_1,...\,\,|\,\,[x_i,x_j]=1\,,\,i,j\in\mathbb{N}\,,\,x_0^p=1\,,\,x_i^{p^i}=x_0\,,\,i\in\mathbb{N}\rangle is not a presentation of the Prüfer group.

Now, the Prüfer group must fulfill the conditions \,x^p_i=x_{i-1}\,,\,i=1,2,3,...\,, but by your definition we'd have x_1^p=x_0\,,\,x_2^{p^2}=x_0=x_1^p\Longrightarrowand I can't see how we can deduce from this that \,x_2^p=x_1\, , as we're not sure we can take p-th roots...

Another possible approach: to show that an epimorphism from an infinitely generated abelian free sugroup to one of the groups is not the same for the other one...

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