Proof or Counterexaple that a_n and b_n converge

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of sequences \( a_n \) and \( b_n \) given that both \( a_n + b_n \) and \( a_n - b_n \) converge. Participants are exploring whether a counterexample exists to show that \( a_n \) and \( b_n \) do not necessarily converge under these conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants have attempted various sequences for \( a_n \) and \( b_n \) to find a counterexample but have not succeeded. They question the certainty of the existence of a counterexample and discuss the implications of previous experiences with similar problems.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing uncertainty about the existence of a counterexample. Some suggest proving the statement instead, while hints have been provided regarding the convergence of the sequences involved.

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Participants note that they have previously encountered similar problems that yielded counterexamples, which influences their current assumptions. There is a recognition that the situation may not conform to their expectations.

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Homework Statement



If a_n+b_n and a_n-b_n converge then a_n and b_n must converge.
This MAY be a counterexample problem.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried the following possibilities out of a_n and b_n and none of these give a counterexample:
Let a_n and b_n= (-1)^n , 1/n , 1/n^2 , (-1)^2n , sqrt(n)
I need to come up with something similar to this that holds true that a_n+b_n converge, a_n-b_n converge, but a_n and b_n alone do not converge.
 
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Nana said:

Homework Statement



If a_n+b_n and a_n-b_n converge then a_n and b_n must converge.
This is going to be a counterexample problem.

Homework Equations



N/A

The Attempt at a Solution



I have tried the following possibilities out of a_n and b_n and none of these give a counterexample:
Let a_n and b_n= (-1)^n , 1/n , 1/n^2 , (-1)^2n , sqrt(n)
I need to come up with something similar to this that holds true that a_n+b_n converge, a_n-b_n converge, but a_n and b_n alone do not converge.

How do you know there is a counterexample?
 
Why are you so sure there is a counterexample?
 
LCKurtz said:
How do you know there is a counterexample?

We have been doing similar problems and they were all counterexamples, but there is a possibility that it is not.
 
LCKurtz said:
How do you know there is a counterexample?

PeroK said:
Why are you so sure there is a counterexample?

It may not actually be. Thanks, I have updated my question. We were doing lots of counterexamples and it led me to believe that was one of them.
 
You should try proving it. Because it is true.
 
Hint: the two rows converge for n>N and for n>M respectively, what happens if you look at n>(N+M) and add the two sequences?
 

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