Proof than an equation is Lorentz invariant

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The discussion centers around the Lorentz invariance of Maxwell's equations, exploring the criteria for Lorentz invariance and the transformation properties of vector and tensor fields. Participants examine both theoretical and mathematical aspects of the topic, including the implications of using the Lagrangian formulation and active Lorentz transformations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Peskin and Schroeder, stating that equations with the same set of uncontracted Lorentz indices are Lorentz invariant and seeks to demonstrate this for Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant suggests that Maxwell's equations can be shown to be Lorentz covariant using Lorentz tensors, emphasizing the importance of correct index placement and definitions.
  • A question is raised about whether the electromagnetic field strength tensor and derivatives transform in the same way under Lorentz transformations.
  • Participants discuss the transformation of the equations under active Lorentz transformations and whether certain terms can be factored out to prove invariance.
  • One participant confirms that the transformation properties of the derivatives are consistent with the notation used.
  • Another participant asserts that the proof is correct, indicating satisfaction with the reasoning presented.

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While there is some agreement on the correctness of the proof presented, the discussion includes varying perspectives on the definitions and implications of Lorentz covariance versus invariance, indicating that multiple views remain on these concepts.

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Participants express concerns about the correct application of definitions and transformations, highlighting potential limitations in understanding the distinctions between covariant and invariant formulations.

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In Peskin and Schroeder page 37, it is written that

  • Using vector and tensor fields, we can write a variety of Lorentz-invariant equations.
  • Criteria for Lorentz invariance: In general, any equation in which each term has the same set of uncontracted Lorentz indices will naturally be invariant under Lorentz transformations.

I would like to explicitly show that the above criteria is valid for Maxwell's equations ##\partial^{\mu} F_{\mu \nu} = 0## or ##\partial^{2}A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A_{\mu}=0##.

  • Solution 1: Maxwell's equations follow from the Lagrangian ##\mathcal{L}_{MAXWELL}=-\frac{1}{4}(F_{\mu \nu})^{2} = -\frac{1}{4}(\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu}A_{\mu})^{2}##, which is a Lorentz scalar, so this means that the equation of motion is Lorentz-invariant as well. That's one way to convince yourself that the above Maxwell's equations are, in fact, Lorentz invariant. Is this correct?
  • Solution 2: I would like to actively transform the electromagnetic field strength tensor ##F_{\mu \nu}## and show that the Maxwell's equations ##\partial^{\mu} F_{\mu \nu} = 0## or ##\partial^{2}A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A_{\mu}=0## remain Lorentz invariant.
I can see that ##\partial^{2}## and ##\partial^{\mu}A_{\mu}## will not Lorentz transform as they are Lorentz scalars.

Under an active Lorentz transformation, ##V^{\mu}(x) \rightarrow \Lambda^{\mu}_{\nu}V^{\nu}(\Lambda^{-1}x)##. So, will ##A_{\nu}## and ##\partial_{\nu}## Lorentz transform in the same way?
 
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This is the manifestation of the famous issue covariant vs. invariant. The Maxwell equations are readily shown to be Lorentz covariant, if one uses Lorentz tensors, QFT books do not resort to geometric definitions of tensors (vectors/covectors), so that you need to pay attention to each definition involving correct index placement and distinguishing between a Lambda matrix and its inverse.
 
failexam said:
So, will ##A_{\nu}## and ##\partial_{\nu}## Lorentz transform in the same way?
Yes. That's why we notate ##\partial_\nu## that way.
 
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All right, so, under the active Lorentz transformation ##V^{\mu}(x) \rightarrow \Lambda^{\mu}_{\nu}V^{\nu}(\Lambda^{-1}x),##

##(\partial^{2}A_{\nu})(x)-(\partial_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A_{\mu})(x)=0## becomes

##(\Lambda^{\nu}_{\mu}\partial^{2}A_{\nu})(\Lambda^{-1}x)-(\Lambda^{\nu}_{\mu}\partial_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A_{\mu})(\Lambda^{-1}x)=0## so that

##\Lambda^{\nu}_{\mu}(\partial^{2}A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu}\partial^{\mu}A_{\mu})(\Lambda^{-1}x)=0##.

Now, do I just peel off ##\Lambda^{\nu}_{\mu}## from the above transformed equation and prove Lorentz invariance?
 
Bummp!
 
Sure, since ##\hat{\Lambda}## is an invertible matrix, the equation ##\hat{\Lambda} z=0## necessarily implies ##z=0##, where ##z## is an arbitrary four-vector.
 
So, there's no steps missing in my proof, then?
 
No, it's correct :-))!
 
Thank you so much!
 

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