Proof that lim x->0 log(1+x)/x = 1

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit \(\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\log(1+x)}{x} = 1\) using various mathematical techniques. Participants explore methods suitable for a context where certain advanced topics, such as L'Hôpital's rule and series expansions, have not yet been introduced.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the identity \(\log(1+x) = \int_0^x \frac{dt}{1+t}\) to approach the limit.
  • Another proposes applying L'Hôpital's rule, but acknowledges that it may not be appropriate given the context of the discussion.
  • A participant mentions the need to avoid L'Hôpital's rule and suggests manipulating the limit expression by subtracting \(\log(1)\) from the numerator.
  • One participant recommends expressing \(\frac{1}{1+t}\) as an infinite series, but notes that series have not been covered in the book.
  • Another suggests using Riemann sums to express the integral, indicating a potential method to prove the limit without advanced techniques.
  • A later reply provides a detailed approach involving a change of variables in the integral, leading to a limit evaluation that results in 1.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the suggestions made by others, indicating a collaborative exploration of the problem.
  • Concerns are raised about the mathematical depth required for certain approaches, particularly regarding the interchange of limit and integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method to prove the limit. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the appropriateness of certain techniques given their current level of study.

Contextual Notes

Participants are constrained by the topics covered in their course, which has not yet included L'Hôpital's rule or series expansions. This limitation affects the methods they can consider for the proof.

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Given that [tex]\log{(1+x)}=\int_0^x\frac{dt}{1+t}[/tex], how would one prove that [tex]\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{\log{(1+x)}}{x}=1[/tex]?
 
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Just use l'Hôpital's rule and the fundamental theorem of calculus.
 
Thanks! I had thought of that. However, L'Hôpital's rule is introduced much later in this book so I assume I'm not supposed to use it. It's so far covered logarithms, differentiation and integration techniques... any other ideas?
 
Ok, if you can't use l'Hôpital, how about this? Subtract a log(1) from the numerator in the expression of the limit. It should look quite familiar now. :-D
 
Sorry, I should have mentioned something: You're supposed to prove it using the identity I gave in the first part of my post. This is part B of an exercise in apostol. Part A was to prove it using your method, which I did.

The statement of part A was something like "Prove the relationship using the definition of f'(1), where f(x) = log(x)" or something of that nature.
 
Express [itex]1/(1+t)[/itex] as an infinite series, integrate from 0 to x, divide by x, and take the limit as [itex]x\to 0[/itex].
 
Meh. The book hasn't covered series' either. Oh well.
 
I haven't tried this yet, normally I would go with either of Monchot's suggestions, but you could try expressing the integral in terms of Riemann sums. I think that should work.
 
uman said:
Given that [tex]\log{(1+x)}=\int_0^x\frac{dt}{1+t}[/tex], how would one prove that [tex]\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{\log{(1+x)}}{x}=1[/tex]?

For the expression

[tex]I=\frac{1}{x}\,\int_0^x\frac{d\,t}{1+t}[/tex]

apply the change of variables [itex]t=x\,u,d\,t=x\,du[/itex], so

[tex]I=\int_0^1\frac{d\,u}{1+x\,u}[/tex]

Then

[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 0}I=\int_0^1 \lim_{x \rightarrow 0}\left(\frac{1}{1+x\,u}\right)\,d\,u=\int_0^1 d\,u=1[/tex].

You are allowed to change order between the integral and the limit, since the integral exists by hypothesis.
 
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Rainbow Child's suggestion crushes mine :( But I just tried it, and it works as well =]
 
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Thank you Rainbow Child! I understand your proof and it makes perfect sense. Very clever!
 
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Lim x->0 (x(1+(x/2)+((x^2)/3)+....))/x
=lim x->0 (1+(x/2)+((x^2)/3)+....)
=1+0+0+0......=1
 
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As lovely as it is, Rainbow Child's suggestion requires knowing that, in this case,
[tex]\lim_{x\to 0} \int_0^1 \frac{dt}{1+ xt}= \int_0^1 \lim_{x\to 0}\frac{dt}{1+ xt}[/tex]
which, while true, probably requires deeper math than uman, who has not yet dealt with L'Hopital's rule or power series, has available.
 

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