Proof: Topology of subsets on a Cartesian product

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The discussion centers on proving that the set T = { A × B : A ∈ Tx, B ∈ Ty } forms a topology on the Cartesian product X × Y, given topologies Tx and Ty on sets X and Y, respectively. Key points include the necessity to demonstrate that both the empty set and the entire set X × Y are included in T, as well as showing that T is closed under finite intersections and arbitrary unions. Participants emphasize the importance of correctly interpreting the definitions of open sets and Cartesian products in the context of topological spaces.

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  • Understanding of basic topology concepts, including open sets and Cartesian products.
  • Familiarity with the definitions of topologies, specifically Tx and Ty.
  • Knowledge of set theory, particularly regarding intersections and unions of sets.
  • Ability to work with mathematical notation and proofs in topology.
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  • Study the definitions and properties of topologies in detail, focusing on finite intersections and arbitrary unions.
  • Learn about Cartesian products in the context of topology, particularly how they relate to open sets.
  • Explore examples of topological spaces to solidify understanding of open subsets and their properties.
  • Review proof techniques in topology, including how to construct proofs for membership in topological sets.
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Homework Statement

Let Tx and Ty be topologies on X and Y, respectively. Is T = { A × B : A\inTx, B\inTy } a topology on X × Y?

The attempt at a solution

I know that in order to prove T is a topology on X × Y I need to prove:
i. (∅, ∅)\inT and (X × Y)\inT
ii. T is closed under finite intersections
iii. T is closed under arbitrary unions

In order to prove (i) I would have to prove that ∅\inA and ∅\inB. I think this is true because the empty set is in all sets.
I'm not sure how to approach proving that X\inA as even though A\inTx, this implies that A\inX or A is X. I'm not sure how continue from here. Same with Y\inB.

For ii. I think that since Tx and Ty are topologies themselves, they are closed under finite intersections, and since A\inTx and B\inTy then A and B are also closed under finite intersections, thus T is closed under finite intersections. I have to go more into detail with this but I just want to make sure if this is the right idea.

I think iii. could also be proved with a similar argument to the one used to prove ii.
 
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For (i), your topology T is the set of all open sets A x B such that A is an element of T_x, and B is an element of T_y. X is an element of T_x, as it is required to be one by the same rules we a re trying to prove, as well as the empty set, and vice versa for Y being an element on T_y. Use this fact to show that X x Y is in your topology T.
 
Colossus91 said:
i. (∅, ∅)\inT and (X × Y)\inT
This one should say ##\emptyset\in T## and ##X\times Y\in T##.

Colossus91 said:
In order to prove (i) I would have to prove that ∅\inA and ∅\inB. I think this is true because the empty set is in all sets.
It's not. It's a subset of all sets, but most sets don't have it as a member.

Colossus91 said:
I'm not sure how to approach proving that X\inA as even though A\inTx, this implies that A\inX or A is X. I'm not sure how continue from here. Same with Y\inB.
It doesn't make sense to try to prove that X is a member of A when you haven't specified what A is.

##A\in T_x## doesn't imply what you say it implies. It just means that A is an open subset of X.

Note that the definition of T says that T consists of of all cartesian products of two open subsets of X and Y, such that the first set is a subset of X and the second a subset of Y. To check if ##\emptyset\in T##, you should ask yourself if ∅ can be expressed as a cartesian product at all. X×Y is obviously a cartesian product, so to prove that X×Y is in T, you only have to prove...what?

Colossus91 said:
For ii. I think that since Tx and Ty are topologies themselves, they are closed under finite intersections, and since A\inTx and B\inTy then A and B are also closed under finite intersections, thus T is closed under finite intersections. I have to go more into detail with this but I just want to make sure if this is the right idea.
I don't see what A and B being closed under finite intersections have to do with anything. You need to start with a statement like "Let n be an arbitrary positive integer, and let ##E_1,\dots,E_n## be arbitrary members of T". Then you prove that ##\bigcap_{k=1}^n E_k\in T##.
 

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