Proofs on Limit and Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around proving properties related to limits and derivatives, specifically focusing on the differentiability of a piecewise function at a point and the behavior of limits under certain conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of the derivative and the limit, with one original poster expressing difficulty in proceeding with the proof of differentiability at zero.
  • Another participant suggests using L'Hopital's rule and clarifies a potential typo in the limit notation, while also questioning the choice of epsilon in limit proofs.
  • There is a discussion about proving that a limit exists and is positive, with suggestions to use indirect proof methods.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the proofs and questioning the assumptions made in the original statements. There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, particularly regarding the application of limit definitions and the handling of absolute values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the definitions and conditions of the problems, particularly in relation to the limits and the differentiability at a specific point. There is also mention of an impending exam, which may influence the urgency of the discussion.

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1) Prove that f defined by
f(x)= e^(-1/|x|), x=/=0,
f(x)= 0, x=0
is differentiable at 0.


[I used the definition of derivative
f'(0)=lim [f(0+h)-f(0)] / h = lim [e^(-1/|h|) / h]
h->0 h->0
and I am stuck here and unable to proceed...]


2) Suppose lim (x->a) f(x) = L exists and f(x)>0 for all x not =a. Use the definition of limit to prove that L>0.

[when I draw a picture, I can see that this is definitely true, but how can I go about proving it?]

Thanks for your help!:smile:
 
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For the second one, start with the definition of limit. Suppose L is less than zero, and show there must be some f(x) for x near a such that f(x) is quite close to L, and hence negative (in more formal terms of course)
 
kingwinner said:
1) Prove that f defined by
f(x)= e^(-1/|x|), x=/=0,
f(x)= 0, x=0
is differentiable at 0.


[I used the definition of derivative
f'(0)=lim [f(0+h)-f(0)] / h = lim [e^(-1/|h|) / h]
h->0 h->0
and I am stuck here and unable to proceed...]
Let k= 1/h so that you have
[tex]\lim_{k\rightarrow \infty} ke^-k[/itex]<br /> and use L'Hopital's rule.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> <b>2) Suppose lim (x-a) f(x) = L exists and f(x)<u>></u>0 for all x not =a. Use the definition of limit to prove that L<u>></u>0.</b> </div> </div> </blockquote> You mean "limit as x goes to a of f(x)", not " limit of (x-a)f(x)" surely, since in the second case this is not true. Use 'indirect proof'. Suppose L< 0 and take [itex]\epsilon[/itex]= L/2 in the definition of limit.[/tex]
 
HallsofIvy said:
Let k= 1/h so that you have
[tex]\lim_{k\rightarrow \infty} ke^-k[/itex]<br /> and use L'Hopital's rule.<br /> <br /> <br /> You mean "limit as x goes to a of f(x)", not " limit of (x-a)f(x)" surely, since in the second case this is not true. Use 'indirect proof'. Suppose L< 0 and take [itex]\epsilon[/itex]= L/2 in the definition of limit.[/tex]
[tex] <br /> 1) But there is an absolute value |h|, letting k=1/h won't get rid of the absolute value, right?<br /> <br /> <br /> 2) Sorry, that's a typo...I have corrected it...<br /> How do you know how epsilon you are going to pick? I am personally having terrible trouble knowing what epsilon to pick to do this kind of proofs...[/tex]
 
Can someone please help me? I will be writing my finals tomorrow...
 

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