Proove that e^x is always positive

  • Thread starter Thread starter aaaa202
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    E^x Positive
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around proving that the exponential function \( e^x \) is always positive. Participants reference definitions and properties of the exponential function, including its functional equation and its relationship with the natural logarithm.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate the positivity of \( e^x \), questioning how the given properties can lead to this conclusion. Some suggest examining the case when \( x < 0 \) and others propose using the relationship \( e^x e^{-x} = 1 \) to infer positivity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts and approaches. Some have offered hints and alternative methods, while others express uncertainty about the steps needed to prove the claim. There is no explicit consensus on a single method yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they are expected to provide hints rather than complete solutions, which influences the nature of the discussion. There is also mention of the need to prove that \( e^x \neq 0 \) for all \( x \), which is a point of contention in the reasoning process.

aaaa202
Messages
1,144
Reaction score
2
May sound trivial but I don't find it trivial from the things I am given as a definition of the exponential function:

The exponential function satisfies f(a+b)=f(a)f(b), is the inverse to the ln and is restricted by the condition:
exp(x)≥1+x

I can't see how I can from this only proove that it is always positive. Can anyone help?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
aaaa202 said:
May sound trivial but I don't find it trivial from the things I am given as a definition of the exponential function:

The exponential function satisfies f(a+b)=f(a)f(b), is the inverse to the ln and is restricted by the condition:
exp(x)≥1+x

I can't see how I can from this only proove that it is always positive. Can anyone help?

If you are given exp(x)≥1+x then you already know exp(x)>0 if x≥0, right? So try and think of a way to show it if x<0.
 
ugh yeah that is where the hard work comes in for my part.

I have tried: exp(-x) ≥ 1 - x

So exp(x) ≤ 1/(1-x)

but that, as you can see, didn't get me anywhere.

But maybe this will do: for x>0

exp(x)exp(-x) = 1 which means exp(x) must be positive for x<0?
 
aaaa202 said:
ugh yeah that is where the hard work comes in for my part.

I have tried: exp(-x) ≥ 1 - x

So exp(x) ≤ 1/(1-x)

but that, as you can see, didn't get me anywhere.

But maybe this will do: for x>0

exp(x)exp(-x) = 1 which means exp(x) must be positive for x<0?

Well, what do YOU think?
 
Yes!
 
I just want to say that there's a much easier way than what's been discussed so far.
 
and that is?
 
aaaa202 said:
Yes!

There's probably a lot of ways to do it. But since you have those givens, I can't think of anything much easier. BTW you weren't really given that exp(0)=1. You just know exp(0)>0, which is enough. You can, of course, prove exp(0)=1 from what you are given.
 
We're only supposed to give hints, not complete solutions, but since you have found one solution I guess it's OK. What I had in mind is to use that 1=1/2+1/2.
$$e^x=e^{\frac 1 2 x+\frac 1 2 x}=\left(e^{\frac 1 2 x}\right)^2\geq 0.$$ Of course, you still have to prove that ##e^x\neq 0## for all x. But this is easy. Suppose that it's not true. Let y be a real number such that ##e^y=0##. Let x be an arbitrary real number.
$$0=e^{x-y}0=e^{x-y}e^y=e^{x-y+y}=e^x.$$ Since x is arbitrary, this contradicts that ##e^0\geq 1##.

When I said that this is "much" easier, I didn't realize that we still had to prove that ##e^x\neq 0## after the first step.
 
  • #10
Fredrik said:
We're only supposed to give hints, not complete solutions, but since you have found one solution I guess it's OK. What I had in mind is to use that 1=1/2+1/2.
$$e^x=e^{\frac 1 2 x+\frac 1 2 x}=\left(e^{\frac 1 2 x}\right)^2\geq 0.$$ Of course, you still have to prove that ##e^x\neq 0## for all x. But this is easy. Suppose that it's not true. Let y be a real number such that ##e^y=0##. Let x be an arbitrary real number.
$$0=e^{x-y}0=e^{x-y}e^y=e^{x-y+y}=e^x.$$ Since x is arbitrary, this contradicts that ##e^0\geq 1##.

When I said that this is "much" easier, I didn't realize that we still had to prove that ##e^x\neq 0## after the first step.

Sure, f(0)=0 also satisfies f(a+b)=f(a)f(b). You need some other input. f(0) not equal to 0 would have been adequate. They gave you more than you really needed.
 

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
4K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
1K