Prove that f is a constant function

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The discussion revolves around proving that a function f, defined from real numbers to real numbers, is constant under a specific inequality involving a summation. The inequality involves terms that depend on a variable k, which represents positive integers, and the function's behavior is analyzed for all real x and y.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore various approaches to the problem, including testing specific functions like sine and discussing the implications of differentiating with respect to different variables. There are questions about the validity of certain assumptions and the setup of the inequality.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some suggest differentiating the expression, while others express uncertainty about the implications of such actions. There is a focus on bounding differences and exploring the consequences of the inequality, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the original problem statement, particularly regarding the interpretation of the summation and the variables involved. There is also mention of the need for careful handling of inequalities and modulus signs in the context of the problem.

  • #31
There's an error in the first line. The f(a/2) terms are k=1 in the sum, so only get a factor 3, not 9. When you correct that your last line will be much more useful.
 
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  • #32
Sorry for the delay.

$$3|f(a/2)-f(-a/2)|+9|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 1$$
$$9|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 3|f(a)-f(-a)|+1$$
And ##f(t)-f(-t)\le 1/3 ## from post #21
Hence $$|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 2/9$$
 
  • #33
AdityaDev said:
Sorry for the delay.

$$3|f(a/2)-f(-a/2)|+9|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 1$$
$$9|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 3|f(a)-f(-a)|+1$$
And ##f(t)-f(-t)\le 1/3 ## from post #21
Hence $$|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 2/9$$
Right. Again, a can be any value. In post #20 you showed ##|f(a)-f(-a)|\le \frac 13##, and using that you've improved it to ##\frac 29##. Can you see how to turn this process into an induction, or maybe a reductio ad absurdum, to show it must be zero?
 
  • #34
Yes. For n=3, y=a/3, you get ##|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 5/27##
So it keeps decreasing.
 
  • #35
AdityaDev said:
Yes. For n=3, y=a/3, you get ##|f(a)-f(-a)|\le 5/27##
So it keeps decreasing.

Yes, it keeps decreasing, but you need to show that the limit is zero.
 
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  • #36
In the original expression, the summation is only upto n.
 
  • #37
AdityaDev said:
In the original expression, the summation is only upto n.
I have two responses to that.
First, having shown |f(a)−f(−a)|≤2/9, you could plug that back into the same process, still with n=2, and obtain a tighter bound still. I'm not sure whether that sequence will get you to a limit of zero, though.
Secondly, it's for all n (see posts #6, #7). You can make n as large as you like.
 
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