Prove the nth energy eigenfunction has n-1 zeros

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The discussion centers around proving that the nth energy eigenfunction, denoted as ##\psi_n(x)##, has ##(n-1)## zeros for all positive integers ##n##. Participants explore the implications of the oscillation theorem, the behavior of eigenfunctions, and reference various texts and papers related to quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant suggests that assuming ##\psi_k(x)## has ##(k-1)## zeros allows for the conclusion that ##\psi_{k+1}(x)## has at least ##k## zeros, referencing the oscillation theorem.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of the oscillation theorem to show that ##\psi_1(x)## has no zeros, noting that the theorem might allow for ##\psi_1(x)## to have multiple zeros.
  • A participant shares a paper that presents an argument for the nth eigenfunction having ##n-1## nodes, although they find the argument difficult to follow.
  • There are requests for clarification regarding the source of the oscillation theorem and specific texts that discuss the topic in detail.
  • One participant interprets a statement from the paper about wave functions going to zero at infinity and discusses the implications for positive energy states and bound states.
  • Another participant elaborates on the implications of separating walls in a quantum system, suggesting that wave functions for ##n>N## become the everywhere-zero function, leading to a discussion about the nature of bound and positive-energy states.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of the oscillation theorem and its implications. There is no consensus on the application of the theorem to the case of ##\psi_1(x)##, and multiple interpretations of the referenced paper exist.

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Some assumptions about the oscillation theorem and its application to eigenfunctions remain unverified. The discussion includes references to specific texts and papers, which may contain additional context or limitations not fully explored in the thread.

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How do we show that ##\psi_n(x)## has ##(n-1)## zeros for all ##n\in Z^+##?

Assuming ##\psi_k(x)## has ##(k-1)## zeros for some ##k\in Z^+##, by oscillation theorem, we can only get ##\psi_{k+1}(x)## has ##\geq k## zeros.

Also, how do we show that ##\psi_1(x)##, the eigenfunction corresponding to ##E_1##, has no zero? Oscillation theorem may permit ##\psi_1(x)## to have 3 zeros, ##\psi_2(x)## to have 5 zeros, ##\psi_3(x)## to have 20 zeros, etc.
 
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I've never heard of the oscillation theorem. Could you post the text of problem 3.9?

Edit: I just saw your other thread, where the problem is stated.
 
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@Happiness, could you please say which book this is from? I would like to look at this in more detail.
 
@DrClaude, it's Quantum Mechanics by B H Bransden and C J Joachain, 2nd edition, page 119.
 
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Landau Lifshitz, Vol 3 also has a good discussion.
 
stevendaryl said:
Here is a paper that I found giving an argument for the nth eigenfunction having n-1 nodes:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0702260.pdf

His argument is a little hard to follow, but it is short.

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Does he mean "As we separate the walls, N number of the wave functions (##\psi_1, \psi_2, ..., \psi_N##) go to zero at ##x=\infty## and at ##x=-\infty##, and the positive energy states (##\psi_{N+1}## onwards) become the continuum spectrum"?
 
Happiness said:
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Does he mean "As we separate the walls, N number of the wave functions (##\psi_1, \psi_2, ..., \psi_N##) go to zero at ##x=\infty## and at ##x=-\infty##, and the positive energy states (##\psi_{N+1}## onwards) become the continuum spectrum"?

Now I guess he mean "As we separate the walls, the wave functions for n>N (##\psi_{N+1}## onwards) become the everywhere-zero function" since all these wave functions have a finite number of zeros but the potential can only support an ##N## number of bound states (which have a finite number of zeros) and the other admissible wave functions are positive-energy states and thus have infinite number of zeros.

So I guess he should have said "all of these wave functions for n>N ..." instead of "some of the wave functions ..." .
 

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