Proving C12=C21: General Capacitance

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The discussion centers on proving that the capacitance between two conductors, C12 and C21, is equal. The approach involves analyzing the energy required to charge the conductors in different orders. Initially, it is noted that adding charge to one conductor influences the potential of the other conductor, which affects the energy calculations. The participants highlight the importance of considering the potential changes as charges are added sequentially. The conclusion emphasizes that the energy considerations will ultimately demonstrate that C12 equals C21.
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Homework Statement


Consider a system of N isolated conductors,with arbitrary shape and position.
We specify the charge Qi on the ith conductor for each i.
The capacitance Cij is:
Qi= ΣCijVj, sum over j.
To prove:
Cij = Cji
Hint: Consider how much energy is needed to start with the system uncharged, then add charge Qi to conductor i, and then add charge Qj to conductor j. Then consider starting again with the system uncharged, and performing these operations in the opposite order. That is, add charge jj to conductor j, and then Qi to conductor i. Then think about how to use your answers to prove the desired result.]

Homework Equations


W=QV

The Attempt at a Solution


For N=2,
To show: C12 = C21
No energy is needed to put Q1 on the conductor no.1.
This charge Q1 creates a surface charge density and potential V 2 on the conductor no.2.
To put charge Q2 on the conductor no.2 takes energy Q2V 2.
Similarly, putting Q1 on the conductor no.1 after putting Q2 on the conductor no.2 takes energy Q1V 1.
Is this correct till now? What to do next?
 
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Pushoam said:
No energy is needed to put Q1 on the conductor no.1.
That cannot be true. It will have some potential as soon as you start putting charge on it.
Pushoam said:
To put charge Q2 on the conductor no.2 takes energy Q2V 2.
Similarly, the potential will change as you add charge.
 
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