Proving Convexity of Bounded Function F

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The discussion revolves around proving the convexity of a bounded function F, specifically addressing whether such a function must be constant. The original poster translates the problem and attempts to clarify the definition of convexity in relation to the function's graph and its tangent lines.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of convexity and boundedness, questioning the original poster's definition of convexity. Some suggest alternative approaches, such as demonstrating that f(x) equals f(y) for all real x and y, while others consider the behavior of the function as it approaches infinity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various perspectives being shared. Some participants provide insights into the implications of monotonicity and derivatives, while others express uncertainty about the original poster's approach and definitions. There is no explicit consensus on the method to prove the function's constancy.

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Participants note potential flaws in assumptions made about the function's behavior and the definitions of convexity. The original poster's translation of the problem and the definition of "static" are also under scrutiny, indicating possible constraints in understanding the problem fully.

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Homework Statement


Hey, the original question is not in english, so I am translating. So just to make sure I'm understood, i take convex to mean that the graph of the function is below the tangent.

The question:
Let F be a convex function and F is bounded from above by some number C, prove that F is static (again, my translation, by static I mean that for every x F(X)=a)



The Attempt at a Solution



I don't think I'm close, but I am stumped, some mild hin tto point me in the right direction would be great.
we will write F as a taylor expansion:
f(x_0)+f'(x_0)(x-x_0) > f(x_0)+f'(x_0)(x-x_0) + \frac {f''(c)(x-x_0)^2}{2} <a \iff
<br /> 0 &gt; \frac {f&#039;&#039;(c)(x-x_0)^2}{2} &lt;a - f(x_0)+f&#039;(x_0)(x-x_0) \iff
<br /> 0 &gt;\frac {f&#039;&#039;(c)}{2} &lt; \frac {a}{(x-x_0)^2} - \frac {f(x_0)+f&#039;(x_0)}{x-x_0}





 
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I don't think Taylor's theorem is required here. The other flaw with your approach is that you are assuming some value for a beforehand in trying to show the function is constant. I think a better approach is to show that f(x) = f(y) for every real x,y.

I think it's a lot easier if you consider two points x and y and suppose x < y. If f(y) > f(x), what can you say about the behavior of f as x approaches infinity? Similarly, what if f(y) < f(x)? Remember in working with these two cases, you are trying to obtain a contradiction if your goal is to show the function is constant. But there is really only one statement in the hypothesis you can directly contradict.
 
The definition I learned of convex is that the graph lies above the tangent. I don't think the problem works with your definition: for example, f(x)=-x2 is bounded above by 0, and lies below its tangent.
 
The function doesn't need to be strictly convex.
 
snipez90 said:
I don't think Taylor's theorem is required here. The other flaw with your approach is that you are assuming some value for a beforehand in trying to show the function is constant. I think a better approach is to show that f(x) = f(y) for every real x,y.

I think it's a lot easier if you consider two points x and y and suppose x < y. If f(y) > f(x), what can you say about the behavior of f as x approaches infinity? Similarly, what if f(y) < f(x)? Remember in working with these two cases, you are trying to obtain a contradiction if your goal is to show the function is constant. But there is really only one statement in the hypothesis you can directly contradict.

Ok, it took me a few days to work this over and I'm still not there. Here's what I have so far:

Since F is convex then every point has one sided deriviatives such that
x&gt;y f_{-}&#039;(y) \leq f_{+}&#039;(y) \leq f_{-}&#039;(x) \leq f_{+}&#039;(x)
which means that the function is monotonic increasing.
let x>y then lim_{x-&gt; \infty} f(x) = c because the function is monotonic increasing and bounded from above. But this means that
lim_{x-&gt; \infty} \frac {f(x) -f(y)}{x-y}= lim_{x-&gt; \infty} \frac {c -f(y)}{x-y} =0 Which means that there exists a point y<"a"<x where f&#039;(a)=0 but this means that for any x<a f&#039;(x)=0

Now take y>x>a. Then lim_{x-&gt; \infty} f(x) = c and f(y)=c so for all x after a certain point f&#039;(x)=0 then all points before that point must also have f&#039;(x)=0 because of the monotonity of f. Then f is constant.

Is that correct?
Thanks
 

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