Proving Equality: a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4

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The discussion revolves around proving the equality $$a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$$ given the condition $$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2=c^2+d^2+(c-d)^2$$. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and proof techniques related to algebraic identities and transformations.

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  • One participant suggests squaring both sides of the initial condition and simplifying to reach a quartic equation, proposing that $$4\cdot(a^{2}-ab+b^{2})^{2} = 4\cdot(c^{2}-cd+d^{2})^{2}$$.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to prove that if the squared forms are equal, then the quartic forms must also be equal, leading to a derived equation that must hold true.
  • A different participant outlines a method involving substitutions and expansions to show that the left-hand side can be transformed to match the right-hand side, ultimately concluding that the equality must hold.
  • One participant notes the guidelines for posting in the forum, indicating that the original poster (OP) should have a complete solution ready and that the forum is intended for full solutions rather than hints.
  • Another participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the forum's purpose, indicating they were not aware they had entered a challenge forum.

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There is no clear consensus on the proof, as participants present various approaches and methods without agreeing on a single solution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on how to prove the equality.

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Participants express different methods of approaching the problem, and there are unresolved steps in the mathematical reasoning presented. The discussion includes various assumptions and transformations that have not been fully validated by all participants.

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Let $$a$$, $$b$$, $$c$$ and $$d$$ be positive real numbers such that
$$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2=c^2+d^2+(c-d)^2$$.

Prove that
$$a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$$.
 
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Thinking in the Quadratic Expression...

Square and Simplify both sides. You should get $$4\cdot(a^{2}-ab+b^{2})^{2} = 4\cdot(c^{2}-cd+d^{2})^{2}$$

Divide that equation by -2. You'll just have to trust me on this.

Subtract the quartic equation above from the given quartic equation. See if anything looks familiar in the result.
 
tkhunny said:
Thinking in the Quadratic Expression...

Square and Simplify both sides. You should get $$4\cdot(a^{2}-ab+b^{2})^{2} = 4\cdot(c^{2}-cd+d^{2})^{2}$$

Divide that equation by -2. You'll just have to trust me on this.

Subtract the quartic equation above from the given quartic equation. See if anything looks familiar in the result.

Hello tkhunny,

Problems posted in this forum are meant as challenges to our members. The OP should already have a full and correct solution ready to post, and is looking to see if anyone else can solve it, and in the case that no one does after at least a week, will post their solution. If others do solve it, but use a different method, then the OP should post their solution as well so that we get multiple ways of attacking the problems.

So, unlike our other forums where we expect only hints and suggestions on how to proceed as given help, this forum is meant for full solutions to be posted, as stated in our guidelines:

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f28/guidelines-posting-answering-challenging-problem-puzzle-3875/

edit: These guidelines were only recently posted, so it is understandable that not everyone has seen them yet. :D
 
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Whoops. I didn't miss the updates, but I did manage not to check the forum title. I usually avoid the "Challenge" Forums. Not quite sure how I wandered in unawares. Thanks for the heads-up.
 
We're given that $$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2=c^2+d^2+(c-d)^2$$.

Now we consider the expression $$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2$$, if we square it we will end up with:

$$(a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2)^2=a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4+2(a^2+b^2)^2+2a^2b^2-4ab(a^2+b^2)$$.

Since $$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2=c^2+d^2+(c-d)^2$$, we will also have:

$$(a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2)^2=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4+2(c^2+d^2)^2+2c^2d^2-4cd(c^2+d^2)$$.

Hence, it is obvious that if we could prove

$$2(a^2+b^2)^2+2a^2b^2-4ab(a^2+b^2)=2(c^2+d^2)^2+2c^2d^2-4cd(c^2+d^2)$$ (*)

then we can conclude that

$$a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$$ must hold.

From $$a^2+b^2-ab=c^2+d^2-cd$$, we get

$$a^2+b^2=c^2+d^2-cd+ab$$ (**)

If we substitute (**) into only the left side of (*), we see that

$$2(a^2+b^2)^2+2a^2b^2-4ab(a^2+b^2)$$

$$=2(c^2+d^2-cd+ab)^2+2a^2b^2-4ab(c^2+d^2-cd+ab)$$

$$=2(c^2+d^2-cd)^2+4ab(c^2+d^2-cd)+2a^2b^2+2a^2b^2-4ab(c^2+d^2-cd)-4a^2b^2$$

$$=2(c^2+d^2-cd)^2$$

$$=2(c^2+d^2)^2+2c^2d^2-4cd(c^2+d^2)+2c^2d^2$$

Therefore, we can deduce that $$a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$$ must be true since we're given $$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2=c^2+d^2+(c-d)^2$$.
 
anemone said:
Let $$a$$, $$b$$, $$c$$ and $$d$$ be positive real numbers such that
$$a^2+b^2+(a-b)^2=c^2+d^2+(c-d)^2-------(1)$$.

Prove that
$$a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$$.
let $a^2+b^2=x , \,\, c^2+d^2=y$
from (1) we have x-ab=y-cd
then 2$(x-ab)^2$=2$(y-cd)^2-----(2)$
expansion left side of (2):
2$x^2-4abx+2a^2b^2=2(a^4+2a^2b^2+b^4)-4ab(a^2+b^2)+2a^2b^2$
$=a^4+b^4+a^4-4a^3b+6a^2b^2-4ab^3+b^4=a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4$
likewise expansion the right side of (2):
we get $c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$
and the proof is done !
$$a^4+b^4+(a-b)^4=c^4+d^4+(c-d)^4$$
 

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