Proving Equality of Orders in Group Isomorphisms

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The discussion revolves around proving that the orders of elements in groups are preserved under group isomorphisms. The original poster presents a problem involving an isomorphism between two groups and seeks to understand the concept of order in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of isomorphisms and the meaning of "order" in this context. There is confusion regarding the term "order of an isomorphism" versus the order of elements within the groups.

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Some participants have provided clarifications about the nature of isomorphisms and the specific question being asked. There is an ongoing exploration of how to demonstrate the relationship between the orders of the elements x and x' through the properties of isomorphisms.

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Participants note that the problem requires showing a relationship between the orders of elements rather than the isomorphism itself. There is also mention of applying properties of isomorphisms to manipulate equations involving group operations.

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Homework Statement



let phi : G --->G' be an isomorphism of groups. let x element of G and let x'=phi(x)

Prove that the orders of x and x' are equal

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't even know what the order of a isomorphism means. As far as i know, an isomorphism is just a bijective map from G to G'. How does this have order?
 
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The question isn't asking you to find the order of an isomorphism. It's asking you to look at the orders of x and x'.

Also, generally speaking, an isomorphism can have an order: there are groups whose elements are maps.
 
An isomophism is NOT just a "bijective map from G to G'". It is a bijective map that preserves the operation: phi(x*y)= phi(x).phi(y) where * is the operation in G and . is the operation in G'.

As morphism told you, the question does not ask anything about "order of an isomophism"- it asks about the orders of x and phi(x), a member of G and a member of G'.
 
Ok I am still lost on this problem.

I know we want to show that xn=eg and phi(x)n = eg' for some integer n.

but i don't know how to do this.
 
No, you want to show that IF xn= eG, then (phi(x)n= eG'. try applying phi to both sides of the first equation.
 
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ok so phi(xn)= phi(eg)
==> phi(xn)= eg'

because phi is an isom

phi(xn)= phi(x)n

and phi(x)n=eg'

thus both x and x' have order n

//

That good?
 

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