Proving Existence of Supremum on Compact Metric Space: A Conundrum?

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The discussion revolves around proving the existence of a supremum for a function defined on a compact metric space, specifically under the conditions that the function is bounded below and that the set where the function exceeds any real number is open. The original poster is seeking to demonstrate that there exists an element in the compact space where the function achieves its supremum or to provide a counterexample.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to use contradiction to show that the compactness of the space leads to the existence of a supremum, but struggles with the last part of the problem. Other participants suggest considering simpler examples, such as the space [0,1], and question the nature of the function that meets the given conditions.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting that the function can be constructed to meet the criteria without achieving the supremum. There is a recognition of differing viewpoints on the implications of the conditions provided.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the definition of open sets within the context of the metric space, and a reminder that the set where the function exceeds a certain value must be considered in relation to the space X, not just the real numbers.

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Suppose X is compact and that f:X→ℝ, with the usual metric. In addition suppose that {x: f(x)>a} is open for every a ∈ ℝ. I need to show that there is always an x ∈ X such that f(x) equals the supremum of the range of f, or I need to provide a counter example.

For what it's worth we also know that f is bounded below and that there exists a y ∈ X such that f(y) equals the infimum of the range of f. ( these were the first two parts of the problem which I have already successfully proven ).

I literally can't think of any kind of compact metric space which satisfies these requirements, it must be pretty far out there. My approach to the first two parts was by contradiction: assuming the negation of the consequent and then finding an open cover which had no finite sub-cover, hence showing X wasn't compact. But this doesn't seem to work for this last part, and I can't find a good approach to it. Thanks.
 
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The metric space X doesn't have to be at all unusual. Just pick X=[0,1]. Now try and think of a function f where supremum is not achieved on X, but still satisfies your f(x)>a condition. It's really not hard. f doesn't even have to be exotic. It just has to be discontinuous.
 
I don't see how this can possibly be the case. The function f is bounded below, thus we can just pick any a ∈ ℝ below the infimum and we will end up with the set [0,1], which is clearly not open. Remember the set {x: f(x)>a} is a set in X, not in the range.
 
Poopsilon said:
I don't see how this can possibly be the case. The function f is bounded below, thus we can just pick any a ∈ ℝ below the infimum and we will end up with the set [0,1], which is clearly not open. Remember the set {x: f(x)>a} is a set in X, not in the range.

X=[0,1]. It's the whole space X. X is an open subset of X. It's not an open subset of R, but that's not the point. Remember?
 
Ohhhh ya, you're right, cool thanks.
 

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