Proving \frac{a+b}{2}\geq\sqrt{ab} for 0 < a \leq b

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The problem involves proving the inequality \(\frac{a+b}{2} \geq \sqrt{ab}\) for positive values of \(a\) and \(b\) where \(0 < a \leq b\). This falls within the subject area of inequalities in algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to manipulate the inequality, including squaring both sides and questioning the validity of multiplying inequalities. There are attempts to clarify the implications of the conditions on \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) when proving the statement for all positive integers.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the manipulation of inequalities and the assumptions involved. Some participants suggest alternative methods and clarify misconceptions about the ordering of \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\). There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are considering the implications of the problem's conditions, particularly regarding the ordering of \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) and how these affect the proof. There is a focus on the necessity of maintaining the correct direction of inequalities when manipulating them.

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Homework Statement



Show that \frac{a+b}{2}\geq\sqrt{ab} for 0 &lt; a \leq b

The Attempt at a Solution



Since b \geq a then b + a \geq 2a and 2b\geq a + b
That is \frac{a+b}{2}\geq a and \frac{a+b}{2}\leq b.

Since \frac{a+b}{2}\leq b can i multiply \frac{a+b}{2}\geq a with b?

If i can do that then (\frac{a+b}{2})^{2}\geq ab that is:
\frac{a+b}{2}\geq \sqrt{ab}


On a side note if problem says prove something for all positive intigers a,b and c.
That means that a>0 , b>0, c>0 but can i take from that, a\geq b\geq c &gt; 0?
 
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How did you go from b\frac{a+b}{2}\geq abto (\frac{a+b}{2})^{2} \geq ab?
You could just square both the right and left side from the start, so that
0.25a^{2}+0.5ab+0.25b^{2} \geq ab \leftrightarrow 0.25a^{2}+0.25b^{2} \geq 0.5 ab \leftrightarrow a^{2}+b^{2}-2ab \geq 0 \leftrightarrow (a-b)^{2} \geq0 which obviously is true.
 
As for your last question, that does not tell you very much. It tels you that a is larger than or equal to b which is larger than or equal to c which is larger than 0. A more concise way to express the stipulation is to write
a,b,c \in N
or
a,b,c \in Z^{+}
 
Well i thought that since b≥ (a+b)/2 and (a+b)/2 * b = ((a+b)/2)^2 (because it can be b = (a+b)/2)
 
Government$ said:
Well i thought that since b≥ (a+b)/2 and (a+b)/2 * b = ((a+b)/2)^2 (because it can be b = (a+b)/2)
But you can't treat this as an equality, which is what you seem to be doing.
 
Government$ said:
Since \frac{a+b}{2}\leq b can i multiply \frac{a+b}{2}\geq a with b?

If i can do that then (\frac{a+b}{2})^{2}\geq ab that is:
\frac{a+b}{2}\geq \sqrt{ab}

You can't do this: the inequality signs face different ways.

If ##a \geq b## and ##c \geq d##, then for positive a,b,c and d, you CAN assert that ##ac \geq bd##. If that's a ##\leq## sign, then the opposite applies (just switch all the signs). However, if the signs are different you cannot conclude anything from multiplying the two inequalities.

The simplest way to approach this is to start by observing that ##(\sqrt{a} - \sqrt{b})^2 \geq 0## for all ##a,b \in \mathbb{R^+}## (positive real a and b).

On a side note if problem says prove something for all positive intigers a,b and c.
That means that a>0 , b>0, c>0 but can i take from that, a\geq b\geq c &gt; 0?

No you cannot infer that. You can only say that a, b and c are all greater than 0, but you cannot conclude anything about how they're ordered with respect to one another.

However, if a, b and c are *arbitrary* positive integers, and the property you're required to prove is essentially symmetric in a, b, and c (i.e. switching the symbols around doesn't matter), then you can start by arguing "without loss of generality, let ##a \geq b \geq c > 0##" if it helps your proof. This is a common technique.
 
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