Proving G cannot Equal HK When K Contains a Conjugate of H

  • Thread starter Thread starter SiddharthM
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Conjugate
SiddharthM
Messages
176
Reaction score
0
I've been trying to prove something that seems obvious but have had no success thus far:

say G is a finite group and H and K are proper subgroups, if K contains a conjugate of H, then it isn't possible to have G=HK.

Proof anybody? I'm happy if one can prove the special case below:

It's fairly easy to show one can't have the product of a proper subgroup and it's conjugate equal to a group i.e. it isn't possible that Hx^{-1}Hx=G unless H=G. Can you show it for an arbitrary product of conjugates? i.e. if \Pi_{x \in G} H^x=G then H=G. Note that H^x=x^{-1}Hx

thanks for the help
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Let c be an element such that cHc^{-1} \subseteq K.

Assume G=HK.

Express c^{-1} as a product c^{-1}=hk with h in H and k in K. Then
1 = chc^{-1}ck
(chc^{-1})^{-1}k^{-1} = c
both factors on the left hand side are in K so c is in K.

Since c is in K, H \subseteq c^{-1}Kc = K. We then have G=HK=K so K isn't a proper subgroup of G.
 
thanks for the prompt reply, i appreciate the help.
 
Back
Top