Proving If Two Integers Don't Divide by 3: A Number Theory Challenge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a number theory problem concerning the divisibility of the expression (x^2 - y^2) by 3, given that two integers x and y are not divisible by 3. Participants explore various approaches to prove this statement, focusing on modular arithmetic and case analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests breaking down the problem into cases based on the values of x and y modulo 3.
  • Another participant elaborates on this by stating that if x and y are not divisible by 3, they can be expressed as x = 3k + 1 or 3k + 2, and similarly for y, leading to four cases to consider.
  • There is a question regarding the equivalence of cases 2 and 3, and cases 1 and 4, based on properties of modular arithmetic.
  • A participant proposes rewriting terms of the expression mod 3 before evaluating, suggesting that this approach simplifies the proof.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches and interpretations of the problem, with no consensus on a single method or resolution of the equivalence of cases. The discussion remains open-ended.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the properties of modular arithmetic and the implications of case equivalence are not fully resolved, leaving room for further exploration.

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Hi,

i have just registered to the forum, because this time i study number theory and in some problems i can't figure out how to solve them.

This time i have to prove: If two integers x,y doesn't divided with 3 then the (x^2 - y^2) always is divided with 3.

Does anyone has a clue how to start?

Thank you!
 
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Break it up into what x and y modulo 3 can be (so four cases)
 


what?? Can you explain it a little bit, please?
 


If x is not divisible by 3 then it can be written as x= 3k+1 or 3k+2 for some integer k.
If y is not divisible by 3 then it can be written as y= 3j+1 or 3j+2 for some integer k.

That gives 4 cases to consider:
1) x= 3k+1 and y= 3j+1.
2) x= 3k+1 and y= 3j+2.
3) x= 3k+2 and y= 3j+1.
4) x= 3k+2 and y= 3j+2.

Calculate [itex]x^2- y^2[/itex] for each of those cases.
 


HallsofIvy said:
If x is not divisible by 3 then it can be written as x= 3k+1 or 3k+2 for some integer k.
If y is not divisible by 3 then it can be written as y= 3j+1 or 3j+2 for some integer k.

That gives 4 cases to consider:
1) x= 3k+1 and y= 3j+1.
2) x= 3k+1 and y= 3j+2.
3) x= 3k+2 and y= 3j+1.
4) x= 3k+2 and y= 3j+2.

Calculate [itex]x^2- y^2[/itex] for each of those cases.

Since +/- 0 = 0 are not cases 2 and 3 equivalent?

Since 2 = -1 and -1*-1 = 1 , (-1)^2 = (+1)^2 are not cases 1 and 4 equivalent?

Even better you can rewrite each term of an expression mod n before evaluating the expression mod n. Thus each of the terms can be rewriten mod 3 by substituting 0 for 3n and 1 for -1^2 (or 2^2) to get the equivalent expressions 1-1 = 0 mod 3 which is clearly correct.
 
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Thank you very much for the help! I'm grateful to you!
 

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