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The discussion centers on proving the relation F(A ∩ B) ⊆ F(A) ∩ F(B) for a relation F from set X to set Y and subsets A and B of X. The initial proof correctly shows that if y is in F(A ∩ B), then y must also be in both F(A) and F(B), confirming the left side is a subset of the right. However, participants highlight that the reverse inclusion, F(A) ∩ F(B) ⊆ F(A ∩ B), is not generally true, which is why the notation uses ⊆ instead of ⊂. The challenge lies in demonstrating that the right side is not a subset of the left, emphasizing the need for clarity in logical reasoning. The conclusion reinforces that the second part of the problem cannot be proven as a subset without additional conditions.
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Homework Statement



Let F be a relation from X to Y and let A and B be subsets of X. Then,

F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



Let y \in F(A \cap B). Then, \exists x \in A \cap B, so \exists x \in A and x \in B.

Then, y \in F(A) and y \in F(B), so y \in F(A) \cap F(B).

Therefore, y \in F(A \cap B) \Rightarrow y \in F(A) \cap F(B), and hence, F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B).

I'm having trouble showing that the right side is not a subset of the left. Thanks for any help.
 
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SithsNGiggles said:

Homework Statement



Let F be a relation from X to Y and let A and B be subsets of X. Then,

F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B)

The Attempt at a Solution



Let y \in F(A \cap B). Then, \exists x \in A \cap B, so \exists x \in A and x \in B.
\exists x \in A\cap B such that F(x)= y. You might want to say that!

Then, y \in F(A) and y \in F(B), so y \in F(A) \cap F(B).

Therefore, y \in F(A \cap B) \Rightarrow y \in F(A) \cap F(B), and hence, F(A \cap B) \subseteq F(A) \cap F(B).

I'm having trouble showing that the right side is not a subset of the left. Thanks for any help.
That's because it may not be true! That's the reason for the "\subseteq" rather than just "\subset".
 
HallsofIvy said:
\exists x \in A\cap B such that F(x)= y. You might want to say that!

This is actually the second part of the problem I'm on. The previous one was about the image of a union being equal to the union of the images. I mentioned your suggestion in that part.

HallsofIvy said:
That's because it may not be true! That's the reason for the "\subseteq" rather than just "\subset".

I understand that. I have to show that it's NOT a subset of the left hand side. I just don't know how to do that using the kind of logic I used in proving the left side was a subset of the right.
 
And I will say again that you can't prove that- it is not true- unless you mean proper subset.
 
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