Proving $\lim_{n\to\infty}a_n^2 = a^2$ with Delta-Epsilon

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit $\lim_{n\to\infty}a_n^2 = a^2$ using the delta-epsilon definition of limits. Participants explore various approaches to establish this limit, including the manipulation of inequalities and the properties of limits of products.

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  • One participant begins by stating the limit definition and expresses uncertainty after deriving $|a_n^2 - a^2| < \epsilon |a_n + a|$.
  • Another participant suggests bounding $|a_n + a|$ and proposes that if $a \neq 0$, then $|a_n + a| \leq 2|a|$, leading to a potential conclusion about the limit.
  • A different participant reiterates the initial limit definition and attempts to derive the product limit using sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$, ultimately arriving at the conclusion that $\lim_{n \to \infty} a_n^2 = a^2$.
  • Some participants discuss the manipulation of expressions and the need for careful handling of terms in the limit proofs, particularly in the context of products of limits.
  • There is a correction regarding a specific line in the derivation, with participants pointing out the need for accurate representation of terms in the limit expression.

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Participants express various approaches and reasoning, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the steps taken or the final conclusions. Multiple competing views and methods remain present throughout the discussion.

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Participants express uncertainty in their reasoning and the validity of their manipulations, particularly regarding the handling of terms in the limit proofs. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the sequences involved.

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Suppose $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}a_n = a$. Prove using the delta-epsilon definition that $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}a_n^2 = a^2$.

Let $\epsilon > 0$ be given. Let $N\in\mathbb{Z}$. Then for $n > N$, $|a_n - a| < \epsilon$.

Then
$$
|a_n^2 - a^2| = |(a_n - a)(a_n + a)| < \epsilon |a_n + a|
$$

I am stuck here.
 
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I think you can argue as follows: consider

$$|a_n +a| = |a_n - a + 2a| \leq |a_n -a| + 2|a| < \varepsilon + 2|a|.$$

The result is trivial if $a =0$, therefore it's safe to assume $a \neq 0$.

Since $\varepsilon$ is arbitrary, you could say that $|a_n +a| \leq 2 |a|$.

Thus, take $N_0 \in \mathbb{N}$ such that for all $n \geq N_0$ we have $|a_n -a| < \frac{\varepsilon}{2 |a|}$.

It follows that for all $n \geq N_0$ we have

$$|a_n^2 -a^2| = |(a_n -a)(a_n +a)| \leq |(a_n -a)| \cdot 2 |a| < \frac{\varepsilon}{2 |a|} \cdot 2 |a| = \varepsilon.$$

Again, not entirely sure. Hope it helps, at least. :D
 
dwsmith said:
Suppose $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}a_n = a$. Prove using the delta-epsilon definition that $\lim\limits_{n\to\infty}a_n^2 = a^2$.

Let $\epsilon > 0$ be given. Let $N\in\mathbb{Z}$. Then for $n > N$, $|a_n - a| < \epsilon$.

Then
$$
|a_n^2 - a^2| = |(a_n - a)(a_n + a)| < \epsilon |a_n + a|
$$

I am stuck here.

Let's suppose to have two sequences $a_{n}$ and $b_{n}$ and that $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=a$ and $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} b_{n}=b$. That means that...

$\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_{n}-a)=\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (b_{n}-b)=0$ (1)

... and therefore, given a $\varepsilon>0$, it exists an $N$ for which $\forall n>N$ is...

$\displaystyle |(a_{n}-a)-0|< \sqrt{\varepsilon}$

$\displaystyle |(b_{n}-b)-0|< \sqrt{\varepsilon}$ (2)... and then multiplying the (2) toghether...

$|(a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b)-0|=|a_{n}-a|\ |b_{n}-b| < \varepsilon \implies \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b)=0$ (3)

Now we use (3) and the identity...

$\displaystyle a_{n}\ b_{n}= (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b) + b\ a_{n} + a\ b_{n} - a\ b $ (4)

... to obtain... $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}\ b_{n} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b) + \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} b\ a_{n} + \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a\ b_{n} - \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a\ b = b\ a + a\ b - a\ b = a\ b$ (5)

In other word the limit of the product is the product of limits. In the particular case $b_{n}=a_{n}$ You have $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a^{2}_{n}= a^{2}$... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 
chisigma said:
Let's suppose to have two sequences $a_{n}$ and $b_{n}$ and that $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}=a$ and $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} b_{n}=b$. That means that...

$\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_{n}-a)=\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (b_{n}-b)=0$ (1)

... and therefore, given a $\varepsilon>0$, it exists an $N$ for which $\forall n>N$ is...

$\displaystyle |(a_{n}-a)-0|< \sqrt{\varepsilon}$

$\displaystyle |(b_{n}-b)-0|< \sqrt{\varepsilon}$ (2)... and then multiplying the (2) toghether...

$|(a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b)-0|=|a_{n}-a|\ |b_{n}-b| < \varepsilon \implies \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b)=0$ (3)

Now we use (3) and the identity...

$\displaystyle a_{n}\ b_{n}= (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b) + b\ a_{n} + a\ b_{n} - a\ b $ (4)

... to obtain... $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a_{n}\ b_{n} = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b) + \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} b\ a_{n} + \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a\ b_{n} - \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a\ b = b\ a + a\ b - a\ b = a\ b$ (5)

In other word the limit of the product is the product of limits. In the particular case $b_{n}=a_{n}$ You have $\displaystyle \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} a^{2}_{n}= a^{2}$... Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$

Line (4) should be $+ab$. We would need a $-ab$ though which we don't have since we have a negative times a negative.
 
dwsmith said:
Line (4) should be $+ab$. We would need a $-ab$ though which we don't have since we have a negative times a negative.

Why don't develop the expression...

$\displaystyle (a_{n}-a)\ (b_{n}-b) + a\ b_{n} + b\ a_{n} -a\ b$ (1)

... and observe what is the result?...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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