Proving ##\partial^{i} = g^{ik} \partial_{k}##

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The discussion revolves around the identity relating partial derivatives of a scalar field in different coordinate systems, specifically the expression $$\frac{\partial\varphi}{\partial x_i} = g^{ik} \frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x^k}$$ as presented in "The Classical Theory of Fields" by Landau. Participants explore the validity of this identity, its implications in both special and general relativity, and the definitions of coordinates and vectors in this context.

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  • Some participants propose using the chain rule to derive the identity, suggesting that differentiating $$x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}$$ leads to $$\frac{\partial x^{k}}{\partial x_{i}}=g^{ik}$$ as a proof.
  • Others argue that the interpretation of $$x^i$$ as coordinates rather than components of a vector complicates the proof, raising questions about the meaning of $$\frac{\partial}{\partial x_i}$$.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the gradient of a scalar is a covector, suggesting that $$\frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x^i}$$ can be identified with a vector $$A^i$$, leading to the expression $$A^i = g^{ij}A_j$$.
  • Some participants note that the context of special relativity implies that the metric tensor components are constants, which may affect the validity of the identity in curved spacetime.
  • There is a discussion about whether the equation $$x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}$$ can make sense, with some asserting it is valid only in flat spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of coordinates and the validity of the identity in various contexts. There is no consensus on the proof's validity, and multiple competing interpretations remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the definitions of coordinates and vectors, particularly in the transition from special to general relativity. The discussion also touches on the need for a rigorous formalization of these concepts in differential geometry.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying differential geometry, general relativity, or the mathematical foundations of physics, particularly in understanding the relationships between different coordinate systems and the implications of the metric tensor.

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Let ##\varphi## be some scalar field. In "The Classical Theory of Fields" by Landau it is claimed that
$$
\frac{\partial\varphi}{\partial x_i} = g^{ik} \frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x^k}
$$
I wanted to prove this identity. Using the chain rule
$$
\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}=\frac{\partial x^{k}}{\partial x_{i}}\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{k}}
$$
Differentiating ##x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}## with respect to ##x_i## yields
$$
\frac{\partial x^{k}}{\partial x_{i}}=g^{ik} \tag{*}
$$
which seems to prove the identity (?). However I'm not sure about the validity of the last step, especially because ##(*)## isn't mentioned in the relevant literature (either because it's too trivial or/and not useful or because it's wrong). I've only seen the metric tensor expressed as
$$
g_{ik}=\frac{\partial x^{l}}{\partial x^{\prime i}}\frac{\partial x^{l}}{\partial x^{\prime k}}
$$
where the primed coordinates refer to a different coordinate system we're transforming to.
 
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I intepret it by applying formula
A^i=g^{ij}A_j
for ##A^i=dx^i##
dx^i=g^{ij}dx_j
\frac{\partial x^i}{\partial x_k}=g^{ik}
where partial derivatives are taken in condition that all the ohter components ##x_j## than ##x_k## do not change.
 
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SplinterCell said:
Let ##\varphi## be some scalar field. In "The Classical Theory of Fields" by Landau it is claimed that
$$
\frac{\partial\varphi}{\partial x_i} = g^{ik} \frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x^k}
$$
I wanted to prove this identity. Using the chain rule
$$
\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{i}}=\frac{\partial x^{k}}{\partial x_{i}}\frac{\partial}{\partial x^{k}}
$$
Differentiating ##x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}## with respect to ##x_i## yields
$$
\frac{\partial x^{k}}{\partial x_{i}}=g^{ik} \tag{*}
$$
which seems to prove the identity (?). However I'm not sure about the validity of the last step, especially because ##(*)## isn't mentioned in the relevant literature (either because it's too trivial or/and not useful or because it's wrong). I've only seen the metric tensor expressed as
$$
g_{ik}=\frac{\partial x^{l}}{\partial x^{\prime i}}\frac{\partial x^{l}}{\partial x^{\prime k}}
$$
where the primed coordinates refer to a different coordinate system we're transforming to.
There are a couple of conceptual issues here. First, the ##x^i## are the coordinates. They are not the components of a vector. Something like ##x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}## doesn't make sense.

We can, however, identify the "differentials" ##dx^i## as a set of basis one-forms; and ##dx_i## as a set of basis vectors. This is quite tricky to do formally, I recall.

The second issue, therefore, is what is meant by ##\frac{\partial}{\partial x_i}##? As we have already noted that ##x_i## are not coordinates.

To resolve this we first note that the gradient of a scalar is a covector: $$\frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x^i} = A_i$$This can be proved by considering the gradient under a coordinate transformation. There must, therefore, be a corresponding vector with components: $$A^i = g^{ij}A_j = g^{ij}\frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x^j}$$We can identify ##A^i## with ##\frac{\partial \varphi}{\partial x_i}## in some sense. And, again, formalising this rigorously in terms of vectors and one-forms is quite tricky.

In short, you can't prove it simply using the chain rule because the ##x_i## need to be defined first - and that takes you into more advanced differential geometry. The simplest approach, I suggest, is to take the following as a definition of the differential operator ##\frac{\partial}{\partial x_i}##: $$\frac{\partial}{\partial x_i} \equiv \partial^i \equiv g^{ij}\partial_j \equiv g^{ij}\frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}$$
 
PeroK said:
There are a couple of conceptual issues here. First, the ##x^i## are the coordinates. They are not the components of a vector. Something like ##x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}## doesn't make sense.
In "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson he writes (p. 542):
The covariant coordinate 4-vector ##x_{\alpha}## can be obtained from the contravariant ##x^{\beta}## by contraction with ##g_{\alpha\beta}##, that is,
$$
x_{\alpha} = g_{\alpha\beta} x^{\beta}
$$
and its inverse,
$$
x^{\alpha} = g^{\alpha\beta}x_{\beta}
$$
In other words, ##x^i## can be treated as components of a (contravariant) coordinate vector, can't they?

Landau & Lifshitz also define ##x^i## and ##x_i## this way. In particular, they write
$$
x^{i}=\left(ct,\mathbf{r}\right),\quad x_{i}=\left(ct,-\mathbf{r}\right),\quad x^{i}x_{i}=c^{2}t^{2}-\mathbf{r}^{2}
$$
(where they use the signature ##(+,-,-,-)## which is common in special relativity).
 
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I do not have Jackson but assume that he says about SR where metric tensor components are constants and not functions of coordinates as they are in GR.
dx_i = g_{ik} dx^k
is integrated in SR as
\int dx_i = \int g_{ik} dx^k=g_{ik} \int dx^k
to be
x_i = g_{ik} x^k
 
SplinterCell said:
In "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson he writes (p. 542):

In other words, ##x^i## can be treated as components of a (contravariant) coordinate vector, can't they?
You have to be careful. In flat spacetime you have a position vector, whose components are often denoted by ##x^{\alpha}##. But, in curved spacetime, vectors are local objects, defined (in the tangent space) at each point in spacetime. There's no generalisation to the coordinates themselves being the components of a (position) vector.
 
SplinterCell said:
Landau & Lifshitz also define ##x^i## and ##x_i## this way. In particular, they write
$$
x^{i}=\left(ct,\mathbf{r}\right),\quad x_{i}=\left(ct,-\mathbf{r}\right),\quad x^{i}x_{i}=c^{2}t^{2}-\mathbf{r}^{2}
$$
(where they use the signature ##(+,-,-,-)## which is common in special relativity).
In your OP, are you assuming ##g^{ij} = \eta^{ij}##?
 
PeroK said:
In your OP, are you assuming ##g^{ij} = \eta^{ij}##?
Indeed, the context here is special relativity, i.e. flat spacetime with Minkowski metric.
PeroK said:
You have to be careful. In flat spacetime you have a position vector, whose components are often denoted by ##x^{\alpha}##. But, in curved spacetime, vectors are local objects, defined (in the tangent space) at each point in spacetime. There's no generalisation to the coordinates themselves being the components of a (position) vector.
Ok, didn't know that (haven't studied general relativity yet). So does this mean that ##x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}
## can make sense, but only if the spacetime is flat (like @anuttarasammyak showed)?
 
SplinterCell said:
Indeed, the context here is special relativity, i.e. flat spacetime with Minkowski metric.

Ok, didn't know that (haven't studied general relativity yet). So does this mean that ##x^{k}=g^{ik}x_{i}
## can make sense, but only if the spacetime is flat (like @anuttarasammyak showed)?
A position vector only makes sense in flat spacetime. That equation is only valid for the Minkowski metric - or, perhaps more generally, when ##g^{ij}## is independent of the coordinates.

You could try out that identity in the case of spherical coordinates (in flat spacetime) and see what you get.
 

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