Proving the Unproven: A Finite Ring with Identity

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The discussion revolves around proving a lemma related to a finite ring with a multiplicative identity. The original poster is attempting to demonstrate that if certain conditions hold, then specific elements in the ring must be equal, particularly focusing on the implications of the lemma regarding left and right inverses.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster explores the contrapositive of the lemma but feels stuck. They reference a theorem about unique solutions in rings with identity. Other participants suggest examining specific expressions involving the elements in question and question the definitions of the inverses.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and clarifications. There is a recognition of the complexity of the lemma being discussed, and while some progress is made, explicit consensus on the proof has not been reached.

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There is a mention of a theorem and a lemma that are central to the discussion, with participants noting the implications of definitions and the need to avoid circular reasoning in the proof process.

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Let R be a ring with multiplicative identity 1R. Suppose that R is finite. The elemets xy1, xy2,...xyn are all different. So x y_i=1R for some i.

A lemma that is not proven is given. If xyi=1R & yjx=1R, then yi=yj

I need to show that yjx=1R.

Right now I haven't got much. I took the contrapositive of the lemma, but I still get stuck as I'm not sure where I could go from there with the information that I'm given.

The book gives a theorem which states Let R be a ring with identity and a, b of R. If a is a unit each of the equations ax=b & ya=b has a unique solution in R.

Then it goes on to state that if the ring is not commutative, x may not be equal to y. But yeah, I'm still stuck.
 
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Hi kuahji! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

Hint: what's yjxyi ? :smile:
 
Hello,

yjxyi=yj1R

The teacher also gave a proof for the lemma.

yi=(yjx)i=yj(xyi)=yj1R=yj

Except of course we haven't shown yjx=1R yet.

Still stuck, can't make the intuitive leap.
 
kuahji said:
yi=(yjx)i=yj(xyi)=yj1R=yj

Hello,

I assume you mean yi=(yjx)yi=yj(xyi)=yj1R=yj ?
Except of course we haven't shown yjx=1R yet.

But that's the definition of yj

yj is defined as the left inverse of x, and yi is defined as the right inverse …

so you're home. :smile:
 
Ok, sorry I don't see how it's the definition of yj.

I mean with your hint we have
yjayi=yj1R

But that is still different from yjx=1R
 
kuahji said:
Ok, sorry I don't see how it's the definition of yj.

Because of …
kuahji said:
A lemma that is not proven is given. If xyi=1R & yjx=1R, then yi=yj

… yjx=1R is given. :wink:
 
hehe but that lemma is what we're trying to prove. We can't use it to prove itself. But I got it now, had to work some algebraic magic. The "proof" of the lemma only showed that yi=yj. We were already given xyi=1R. So we still had to show the one part. Thanks for the help.
 

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