Basic proof of units in a ring with identity.

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The problem involves proving that if the product of two elements in a ring with identity is a unit, and neither of the elements is a zero divisor, then both elements must also be units. The discussion centers around the properties of rings and units.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the assumption that neither element is a zero divisor. There is an attempt to show that if ab is a unit, then both a and b can be shown to be units through manipulation of the equation (ab)c = 1.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the initial reasoning and highlight the need to properly utilize the condition that a and b are not zero divisors. Guidance is provided on the necessity of showing both a(bc) = 1 and (bc)a = 1 to establish that a and b are units.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of not assuming the ring is commutative and the implications of the definitions of units and zero divisors in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Let R be a ring with identity, and a,b are elements in R. If ab is a unit, and neither a nor b is a zero divisor, prove a and b are units.


Homework Equations



If ab is a unit then (ab)c=1=c(ab) for some c in R.


The Attempt at a Solution


Assume both a and b are not zero divisors, and denote the identity element of R as 1.

Since ab is a unit in R, there exists some c such that (ab)c = 1.
(ab)c=1 \Rightarrow (ca)b = 1 \Rightarrow b is a unit.

Similarly, (ab)c= 1 \Rightarrow a(bc) \Rightarrow a is a unit.

Does the above sufficiently prove the claim in the problem statement? I feel like I'm missing something.

Thanks!
 
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shamus390 said:

Homework Statement



Let R be a ring with identity, and a,b are elements in R. If ab is a unit, and neither a nor b is a zero divisor, prove a and b are units.

Homework Equations



If ab is a unit then (ab)c=1=c(ab) for some c in R.

The Attempt at a Solution


Assume both a and b are not zero divisors, and denote the identity element of R as 1.

Since ab is a unit in R, there exists some c such that (ab)c = 1.
(ab)c=1 \Rightarrow (ca)b = 1 \Rightarrow b is a unit.

Similarly, (ab)c= 1 \Rightarrow a(bc) \Rightarrow a is a unit.

Does the above sufficiently prove the claim in the problem statement? I feel like I'm missing something.

Thanks!

Yes, you should feel uncomfortable with that. You didn't use that a and b weren't zero divisors. If (ab)c=1 then you can regroup that to a(bc)=1. That doesn't prove a is a unit. You also need to show (bc)a=1. Don't assume the ring is commutative.
 
Dick said:
Yes, you should feel uncomfortable with that. You didn't use that a and b weren't zero divisors. If (ab)c=1 then you can regroup that to a(bc)=1. That doesn't prove a is a unit. You also need to show (bc)a=1. Don't assume the ring is commutative.

Ah thank you, that was a foolish oversight, they wouldn't stipulate a and b weren't zero divisors if it wasn't necessary...

So if we let a, b and c be elements of R such that ab = ac, then:

ab-ac=0R = a(b-c) = 0R, and
a is not a zero divisor \Rightarrow (b - c) = 0R \Rightarrow (b-c) = 0R \Rightarrow b = c

Does that allow me to claim the following?

Multiplying a(bc) = 1 by a to give a(bc)a = 1a , (1a=a1 by definition) then, a(bc)a = a1 and by cancellation, (bc)a = 1 \Rightarrow a is a unit.
 
shamus390 said:
Ah thank you, that was a foolish oversight, they wouldn't stipulate a and b weren't zero divisors if it wasn't necessary...

So if we let a, b and c be elements of R such that ab = ac, then:

ab-ac=0R = a(b-c) = 0R, and
a is not a zero divisor \Rightarrow (b - c) = 0R \Rightarrow (b-c) = 0R \Rightarrow b = c

Does that allow me to claim the following?

Multiplying a(bc) = 1 by a to give a(bc)a = 1a , (1a=a1 by definition) then, a(bc)a = a1 and by cancellation, (bc)a = 1 \Rightarrow a is a unit.

Yes, that's the idea.
 

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