Proving Timelike Killing Vectors for g_{ab},0 = 0

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The discussion centers on the existence of timelike Killing vectors in the context of a metric tensor \( g_{ab} \) that does not depend on time, specifically when \( g_{ab,0} = 0 \). Participants explore the implications of this condition and the methods for proving the existence of such vectors, touching on theoretical aspects of general relativity and the properties of Killing vectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if \( g_{ab,0} = 0 \), then the manifold must have a timelike Killing vector.
  • Another participant proposes considering the vector field \( \xi^{\mu} = \delta^{\mu}_0 \) and states that it satisfies the condition for being a Killing field since \( \mathcal{L}_{\xi}g_{\mu\nu} = \partial_0 g_{\mu\nu} = 0 \).
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the need to first identify a timelike vector field \( \xi^{\mu} \) that satisfies \( \nabla_{(\mu}\xi_{\nu)} = 0 \) before concluding about the existence of a coordinate system where \( \partial_0 g_{\mu\nu} = 0 \).
  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the assertion that the initial approach is incorrect, arguing that it is reasonable to identify a Killing vector directly from the metric's independence on a coordinate.
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the "0" coordinate is necessarily timelike, providing the example of Schwarzschild coordinates where the time coordinate can be spacelike, yet the metric remains independent of it.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to proving the existence of timelike Killing vectors. There is no consensus on whether the initial reasoning is valid or if it overlooks important considerations regarding the nature of the coordinates involved.

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The discussion highlights the dependence on the choice of coordinates and the conditions under which a Killing vector can be classified as timelike. The implications of the metric's independence from time are not universally agreed upon, particularly regarding the nature of the coordinate system used.

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If g_{ab},0 = 0 (g does not depend on time), then the manifold must have a timelike killing vector.

How can one prove that?
 
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Consider the vector field ##\xi^{\mu}## which in the coordinates for which ##\partial_0 g_{\mu\nu} = 0## takes the form ##\xi^{\mu} = \delta^{\mu}_0##.

Then ##\mathcal{L}_{\xi}g_{\mu\nu} = \partial_0 g_{\mu\nu} = 0## so ##\xi^{\mu}## is a time-like Killing field for this metric.

But this isn't the correct way to think about the time-like Killing field. Rather one first looks for the existence of a time-like vector field ##\xi^{\mu}## satisfying ##\nabla_{(\mu}\xi_{\nu)} = 0##. If such a vector field exists then there necessarily exists a coordinate system ##\{x^{\mu}\}## in which ##\partial_0 g_{\mu\nu} = 0## and ##\xi^{\mu} = \delta^{\mu}_0##.
 
WannabeNewton said:
But this isn't the correct way to think about the time-like Killing field. Rather one first looks for the existence of a time-like vector field ##\xi^{\mu}## satisfying ##\nabla_{(\mu}\xi_{\nu)} = 0##. If such a vector field exists then there necessarily exists a coordinate system ##\{x^{\mu}\}## in which ##\partial_0 g_{\mu\nu} = 0## and ##\xi^{\mu} = \delta^{\mu}_0##.
Why is this the wrong way to think of it?? It seems to me a perfectly reasonable way to think of it.

Someone hands you an unfamiliar metric. What's the first thing you do -- write out Killing's Equation and try to solve it?

Or do you say, aha, I see it doesn't depend on one of the coordinates ζ, so there's an obvious Killing vector.
 
befj0001 said:
If g_{ab},0 = 0 (g does not depend on time), then the manifold must have a timelike killing vector.

You're assuming that the "0" coordinate is timelike. That's not always the case. Consider, for example, Schwarzschild coordinates on Schwarzschild spacetime inside the horizon; there the "0" (i.e., ##t##) coordinate is spacelike, not timelike, but the metric is still independent of ##t##, so ##\partial / \partial t## is still a KVF--just not a timelike one.
 

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