Proving y' = 2ax + b is a Bijection

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The discussion revolves around proving that the derivative of the function y = (1/2)ax² + bx is a bijection, with a, b, and x being real numbers. Participants are examining the properties of the derivative y' = 2ax + b as a linear mapping from the reals to the reals.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Some participants attempt to establish the conditions for the mapping to be an injection and a surjection, discussing the definitions and necessary proofs for each property. Others question the validity of the original statement regarding the bijection, suggesting that additional conditions may be required for certain values of a.

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Participants are actively exploring the definitions of injection and surjection, with some providing algebraic manipulations to support their claims. There is an ongoing debate about the necessity of conditions on the parameter a for the bijection to hold true, indicating a lack of consensus on the original problem's validity.

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There is a suggestion that the original problem may not be true without additional conditions on the parameter a, highlighting a potential gap in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Prove that the derivate of [tex]y = \frac {1} {2} ax^{2} + bx[/tex] is a bijection, when [tex]a, b, x \in \Re[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


y' = 2ax + b is a linear mapping, where [tex]a, b, x \in \Re[/tex].
The mapping is [tex]\Re \rightarrow \Re[/tex].

The mapping is an injection as each element in the domain maps to codomain.
The mappning is a surjection as elements in the domain maps all elements in the
codomain.
(I am not sure about the proofs for the injection and surjection)

Thus, the derivate is bijection, since it is an injection and surjection.
 
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soopo said:

Homework Statement


Prove that the derivate of [tex]y = \frac {1} {2} ax^{2} + bx[/tex] is a bijection, when [tex]a, b, x \in \Re[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


y' = 2ax + b is a linear mapping, where [tex]a, b, x \in \Re[/tex].
The mapping is [tex]\Re \rightarrow \Re[/tex].

The mapping is an injection as each element in the domain maps to codomain.
No, that's the definition of "function". In order to be an injection, each distinct member of the domain must map to a distinct member of the codomain: if [itex]x\ne y[/itex] then [itex]f(x)\ne f(y)[/itex]. That is the same as saying, "if f(x)= f(y) then x= y".

The mappning is a surjection as elements in the domain maps all elements in the
codomain.
(I am not sure about the proofs for the injection and surjection)

Thus, the derivate is bijection, since it is an injection and surjection.
Prove:
injection: if f(x)= f(y) (that is 2ax+ b= 2ay+ b) then x= y. That's simple algebraic manipulation.
surjection: Given any real number y, there exist x such that f(x)= y. If f(x)=2ax+ b= y. If you can solve for x, it certainly exists!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Prove:
injection: if f(x)= f(y) (that is 2ax+ b= 2ay+ b) then x= y. That's simple algebraic manipulation.
surjection: Given any real number y, there exist x such that f(x)= y. If f(x)=2ax+ b= y. If you can solve for x, it certainly exists!

Thank you!
So the point is for injection that each element in the domain equals the one in codomain. For intstance, f(x) = f(y), then x = y.
In contrast to surjection, there is any real number y such that f(x) = y. This gives f(x) = 2ax + b = y. The bottom line is that if you can solve for all x, a surjection exists.
 
soopo said:
Thank you!
So the point is for injection that each element in the domain equals the one in codomain. For intstance, f(x) = f(y), then x = y.
In contrast to surjection, there is any real number y such that f(x) = y. This gives f(x) = 2ax + b = y. The bottom line is that if you can solve for all x, a surjection exists.
The "bottom line" is to prove for all y there is such and x.
Here, of course, if y is any number and y= ax+ b, then ax= y- b so x= (y-b)/a.

Notice, by the way, that your original problem:
Prove that the derivate of [tex]y = \frac {1} {2} ax^{2} + bx[/tex]
is a bijection, when [tex]a, b, x \in \Re[/tex]
is imposible (because it's not true) unless you put an additional condition on a!
 

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