Pulsating Valve-circuit. Controllable impulses

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The discussion revolves around the design and control of a valve circuit that operates as an actuator using a 555 timer and other components. Participants explore the feasibility of using a 555 timer to generate control signals for a piston mechanism, addressing aspects such as voltage limits, current requirements, and the choice between different types of transistors for driving the actuator.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a 555 timer cannot directly drive the actuator due to its voltage and current limitations, proposing instead the use of a power transistor or power FET.
  • Participants calculate the current draw of the actuator based on its power rating and voltage, indicating that it exceeds the 555 timer's capabilities.
  • There is a discussion about the response time of BJTs compared to FETs, with some arguing that BJTs are not necessarily slow, while others favor FETs for their faster response.
  • One participant seeks clarification on the differences between power FETs and normal FETs, expressing confusion due to inadequate learning materials.
  • Recommendations are made to look for enhancement mode power MOSFETs with specific characteristics, including built-in diodes for protection and considerations for heat dissipation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a 555 timer alone is insufficient for directly driving the actuator, but there is disagreement regarding the suitability of BJTs versus FETs, as well as the specifics of power FETs.

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Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of transistor types and their operational characteristics, as well as the specific requirements for driving the actuator effectively.

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So I have this valve(see attachments).

That valve is basically an inductor. It works at 24V DC, rated 5W. At third picture you will see a piston. This is all about 8 cm long (3rd picture including the piston). Just to give you the feeling of size.

How this piston has to work:

It gets an impulse, it attracts the ferromagnetic inside. Let's call that "on" state. After that the circuit goes into off mode, and that little spring that you see at 3rd picture pulls the piston back.

My questions:

1.Having on mind that 24V DC isn't much, could I use something like 555 timer to get these signals?

2. I have to be able to control the number of pulsations per second. Ideally through some pot. Is this possible with 555 timer?(I am really new to 555 timers, but understanding them shouldn't be a problem). We are talking about range of 2-15 impulses per second.

3. If 555 timer cannot handle these kinds of voltages, should I use some relay? Are we raising the question of response time?

I am also aware that I should install the flyback diode, to get better response.

Any suggestions are more than welcome.

Thank you
 

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A 555 would not be able to directly drive an actuator like that. They have an upper voltage limit of 18 volts and a current rating of 200 mA. In practice, you would not use more than 75% of these limits.

You can work out the current it will draw.
Power = Voltage * current
so current = power / voltage
= 5 W / 24 V
= 0.208 amps
You can use a 555 to generate the pulses and then use these pulses to drive a power transistor or power FET.

Like the drawing below, except you may drive the actuator directly or with a relay as shown:

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/relay%20driver2.JPG

The problem then may be that the actuator might have trouble reacting 15 times a second.
 
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vk6kro said:
A 555 would not be able to directly drive an actuator like that. They have an upper voltage limit of 18 volts and a current rating of 200 mA. In practice, you would not use more than 75% of these limits.

You can work out the current it will draw.
Power = Voltage * current
so current = power / voltage
= 5 W / 24 V
= 0.208 amps
You can use a 555 to generate the pulses and then use these pulses to drive a power transistor or power FET.

Like the drawing below, except you may drive the actuator directly or with a relay as shown:

[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/relay%20driver2.JPG

The problem then may be that the actuator might have trouble reacting 15 times a second.

Hmm a BJT for this? I was thought that they have slow response time compared to FETs.

I would go for power FET then, if my assumption is right. Are power FETs a lot different from normal FETs?

Because, when I had to learn them, my material was really poor and only went so far explaining them.

So this is called actuator :D
I didn't know that. I was just given the component, I was told what it does and I was told what it is meant for.

I am going shopping for 555 timer tomorrow, so can you be more specific about this power FET so I can get that too?
 
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I have some BJT transistors that work up to 6000 MHz. So, no, they are not slow at all.

FETS come in enhancement and depletion mode types and power FETS are usually enhancement mode MOSFETS.

From a practical point of view, this means that they have to have about +3 V on the gate (relative to the source) to turn them on.
This varies and some need more than 5 volts, which means you can't drive them with a 5 V circuit.

Ask at the store for an enhancement mode power MOSFET then get a big one with a built-in diode to protect against high voltages.
You may have to get insulators and a heatsink as it is probably going to get hot.
 
vk6kro said:
I have some BJT transistors that work up to 6000 MHz. So, no, they are not slow at all.

FETS come in enhancement and depletion mode types and power FETS are usually enhancement mode MOSFETS.

From a practical point of view, this means that they have to have about +3 V on the gate (relative to the source) to turn them on.
This varies and some need more than 5 volts, which means you can't drive them with a 5 V circuit.

Ask at the store for an enhancement mode power MOSFET then get a big one with a built-in diode to protect against high voltages.
You may have to get insulators and a heatsink as it is probably going to get hot.

Thank you very much kind sir.
 

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