Purpose of batteries and dynamos

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The discussion revolves around the purpose and function of batteries and dynamos in electrical circuits, specifically whether they create charge or merely move existing charge. Participants explore concepts related to charge flow, potential difference, and the behavior of electrons in a circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that batteries and dynamos do not create charge but instead move existing charges within the circuit.
  • One participant explains that a battery creates a potential difference that allows current to flow, suggesting that it does not supply electrons but rather facilitates their movement.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the chemical reactions in batteries release electrons, which then flow due to the potential difference created by the battery.
  • A question is raised about the behavior of charges in a circuit, specifically whether charges are "sucked" back into the battery or if they jump between terminals.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the energy changes of electrons as they pass through resistive elements like light bulbs, questioning how energy levels can differ among electrons.
  • One participant clarifies that protons do not move in the circuit, and only electrons contribute to the flow of electricity, with a focus on the role of outer shell electrons in conductivity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether batteries create charge or simply facilitate the movement of existing charges. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of charge flow and the behavior of electrons in circuits.

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There are unresolved questions about the mechanisms of charge flow, energy changes in electrons, and the role of protons in electrical circuits. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of fundamental concepts in electricity.

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Is the purpose of batteries and power supplies in an electrical circuit only to pump the charge that already exists in the metal conductor wire or do batteries and dynamos etc. actually create charge then pump it into the conductor wire?
 
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A battery possesses a positive charge, voltage, which is an excess of protons, and a negative charge, which is an excess of electrons. When a conductor comes in contact with the positive and negative charged bodies, there shall be a current flow, or a flow of electrons to the positive charged body to fill the lack of electrons. Thus, obeying the law "Like charges repel, and unlike charges attract."
 
We have no devices capable of CREATING charge. We can only move charges.

The chemical reaction in battery release electrons which have energy with respect to the positive terminal. This is the source of the current which does work for us.

A power supply converts power (charge if you will) to a form useful in electronic devices.

It is all about conversion, not creation.
 
Ah that makes sense. I was under the impression that batteries supplied the conductors with electrons freed from the electrodes by the redox reaction within the cell. So the battery serves only to create a potential difference at a certain point in the conductor wire which causes a current to flow.
 
When the charges flow all the way around the circuit starting from the anode and eventually reach the cathode of the battery again are they sucked into the battery or do they jump straight from the cathode to the anode or what?

Also I was wondering what exactly happens to the electrons after they pass through a charge consumer such a light bulb filament. Do they just continue on theyre way around the circuit back towards the cathode? I read somewhere that they lose energy when they pass through the resistor and they gain energy when they pass through the power supply. How is this possible? I thought electrons all have an equal charge. How can the energy of one free electron differ from another?

Sorry for asking so many different questions but there's another thing confusing me. Is it only electrons that flow through the circuit or do the protons flow aswell?
 
protons don't from move the nucleus, only electrons do and then it's only a few from the outer layer that are have the weakest attraction to their protons. copper electrons in the outer shell have a weak attaction, while rubber ones don't that what makes a conductor conduct electricity. the reason electricity "flows" is because all of the conductors are trying to get back lost or get rid of extra electrons so they can be in a state of equilibrium. this is also how atoms bond to form molecules (chains of atoms) like air.
 

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