Python and Rutherford Scattering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of a theoretical equation for Rutherford scattering to plot the number of counts 'n' versus the scattering angle phi using Python. Participants explore the necessary parameters for the equation and the implications of certain values on the resulting plot.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks reasonable values for parameters in the Rutherford scattering equation, specifically for a gold foil, and expresses difficulty in obtaining a useful plot.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the number of atoms per unit volume using the density and atomic mass of gold, providing a rough estimate of about 5.9E22 atoms per cm³.
  • A participant notes that the constants in the equation primarily serve as scaling factors and questions the behavior of the equation as the scattering angle approaches zero, suggesting it may only be valid over a limited range of angles.
  • Another participant agrees that the basic shape of the plot remains unchanged despite variations in parameters and shares a plot generated using Wolfram.
  • A later reply acknowledges the potential approximation of the equation and confirms that the resulting plot resembles an exponentially decaying curve.
  • One participant mentions that the equation appears to be a standard form found in textbooks, assuming point-like projectiles and targets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of uncertainty regarding the validity of the equation at certain angles and the interpretation of the constants involved. There is no consensus on the appropriateness of the equation or the implications of the results.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the equation's behavior at small angles and the assumptions underlying the theoretical model, which may not fully represent experimental conditions.

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Hello everyone

I have been supplied with this eqn

n=\frac{Nat}{16r^2}(\frac{2Ze^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0E_K})^2cosec^4(\frac{\phi}{2})

for Rutherford scattering.

N is the number of alpha particles incident on a unit area of foil

t is the thickness of the foil

a is the number of atoms per unit volume within the foil

r is the distance of the detector away from the collision

Z is obviously the atomic number of the foil's material

and E_k is the kinetic energy of the incident alpha particles

I need to use python to plot a graph of number of counts 'n' versus the scattering angle phi. To do this I need to create a GUI with entry fields for some of the above variables. This bit is not the problem.
The problem is so far I cannot get the eqn to give a useful plot.These figures are not based on an actual experiment which I have had to carry out. These are all theoretical values for the purpose of the computer program.
Could anyone suggest reasonable values for the above variables. Z is not necessary as I'm using 79 (gold). For example I've no idea how many atoms per unit volume there would be in a sheet of foil prepared for one of these experiments. Then if these reasonable values don't plot well either I will know that it is my code that needs looking at (which I'm sure is fine at the mo).
Any help would be greatly...greatly appreciated.
 
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maximus123 said:
For example I've no idea how many atoms per unit volume there would be in a sheet of foil prepared for one of these experiments.
You can work that out easily enough from the density and the atomic mass. The atomic mass is 197 grams per mole, and the density is approx 19.3 grams per cm^3.

So there are 6.02E23/197 atoms per gram, and therefore 6.02E23/197*19.3 atoms per cm^3. This comes to about 5.9E22 by my quick calculation.
 
maximus123 said:
The problem is so far I cannot get the eqn to give a useful plot.These figures are not based on an actual experiment which I have had to carry out. These are all theoretical values for the purpose of the computer program.

Well all of those constants essentially just boil down to a scaling factor for the cosec(theta/2) term anyway. So they are in effect irrelevant to the actual shape of the plot.

My problem with that equation is that the density of strikes goes to infinity as theta goes to zero, which doesn't seem right. Unless it is an approximation that is only valid over a limited range of theta perhaps. Do you have any more information on the origins of that formula?
 
like uart said, the basic shape of the plot is not going to change if all you are doing is plotting phi vs n.

here is what it looks like using Wolfram.
 
Thanks a lot uart. Not sure how my department has come up with the equation, tis probably some approximation for the purposes of the python exercise we have to do. You're right about the division by zero, I've had to make sure my range of angles does not include zero (which is stupid because most angles in this experiment would be zero)

Any way I achieved my plot, an exponentially decaying curve.

Thanks again.
 
maximus123 said:
Thanks a lot uart. Not sure how my department has come up with the equation, tis probably some approximation for the purposes of the python exercise we have to do.

It looks like a standard Rutherford scattering formula that you can find in textbooks and on Wikipedia. The result n is probably the number of scattered particles per m2 of detector area. It assumes point-like projectiles (alpha particles) and targets (nuclei).
 

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