QFT, event amplitudes and reversed time....

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around interpretations of quantum field theory (QFT), specifically regarding event amplitudes that may be perceived as occurring in reversed time. Participants explore the implications of these interpretations on causality and the nature of rapid events within QFT.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the interpretation of reversed time in QFT, questioning whether the overall results remain causal despite the presence of such amplitudes.
  • Another participant suggests that anti-particles in Feynman diagrams appear to move backward in time, proposing a radical hypothesis that anti-particles could be particles traveling backward in time, contingent on a mechanism that changes their charge.
  • A different viewpoint argues against the notion of anything running backward in time in QFT, emphasizing that the mathematical framework of QFT does not support such interpretations and that Feynman diagrams serve to calculate transition probabilities rather than imply backward time flow.
  • A request for the original paper by Muller and Maguire is made, highlighting the need for context to understand the authors' interpretation.
  • Concerns are raised about personal speculation regarding anti-particles, with reminders about forum rules on discussing unverified ideas.
  • Participants engage in a meta-discussion about quoting and interpreting each other's posts, with some asserting their right to express opinions while others emphasize adherence to forum guidelines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of reversed time in QFT, with multiple competing views presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of anti-particles and the nature of causality in the context of QFT.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of access to the original paper, which is necessary for a full understanding of the claims made about reversed time. Additionally, there are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and implications of rapid events in QFT.

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Hi all,

I've recently been reading a paper by Richard Muller and Shaun Maguire (which is not the exact topic of this post). In that work, the authors mention:

"We note that in quantum field theory, very small, localized and rapid events contain amplitudes that can be interpreted as taking place in reversed time. Such reversed time is not, however, directly observable. "

I'm somewhat confused by this - specifically, what interpretation the authors are referring to? Although the event may contain some amplitudes taking place in reversed time, the overall result is fully causal, correct? Also, what defines such as event as 'rapid'?
 
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Anti-particles in Feynman diagrams their direction of momenta in these diagrams is opposite to ordinary particles; so it seems they are going backward in time, but it's just a mathematical construct. No one knows if anti particles actaully do go backward in time.

If I were to radically postulate, anti-particles are particles which go backward in time; as in positron is actually an electron that goes backwards in time by some mechanism that changes its charge. That can possibly make sense if we only knew how to change the sign of particles' charge.
 
To the contrary of many popular-science source, the real thing, i.e., QFT is just using the opposite idea of being causal, i.e., there's nothing running backwards in time. The trick is to write creation operators in front of the negative-frequency modes in the mode decomposition of the quantum field, i.e., instead of something annihilating with negative energy you create something with positive energy, and everything is moving forward in time. The arrows on lines of charged particles in Feynman diagrams, i.e., for particles which are not their own antiparticles, indicates the flow of charge, not momentum, i.e., a Dirac-fermion line pointing out can either mean a particle going out (asymptotic free final state) or an antiparicle moving in (asymptotic initial state). The meaning of these diagrams are just mathematical expressions allowing you to calculate S-matrix elements describing transition probability rates for processes leading from a given asymptotic free initial to another given asymptotic free final state and thus allow to calculate cross sections that can be measured in the real world and compared to the theory.
 
asimov42 said:
I've recently been reading a paper by Richard Muller and Shaun Maguire

Please provide a link. We can't discuss the paper if we can't read it.

asimov42 said:
what interpretation the authors are referring to?

We have no way of telling unless we can read the paper and see the context.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
positron is actually an electron that goes backwards in time by some mechanism that changes its charge

There is no such mechanism in QFT. Please review the PF rules on personal speculation.
 
PeterDonis said:
There is no such mechanism in QFT. Please review the PF rules on personal speculation.
At least quote my post in its entirety.

Some might think that I argued that QFT posits what you quoted, where I undeniably wrote:"If I were to radically postulate..."

So we aren't entitled to our opinions?
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
At least quote my post in its entirety.

I only quoted the part that was problematic.

MathematicalPhysicist said:
Some might think that I argued that QFT posits what you quoted

I didn't. Nor did I say so. If you were, your post would not be personal speculation, it would just be wrong.

MathematicalPhysicist said:
I undeniably wrote:"If I were to radically postulate..."

Yes, and that is personal speculation. Unless you can reference a textbook or peer-reviewed paper.

MathematicalPhysicist said:
we aren't entitled to our opinions?

You are, but that doesn't mean they are necessarily allowed topics for discussion here at PF. Again, please review the PF rules.
 

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