Quadratic, standard and standard form of a curve

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate polynomial function to represent a set of four points on a curve, specifically considering whether a quadratic or cubic polynomial is necessary. Participants explore the implications of the given points and the mathematical forms required to fit them.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the points could be represented by a straight line using the equation y=mx+b, although this is challenged by others.
  • One participant proposes that a cubic polynomial is necessary to accommodate all four points, represented as y(x)=Ax^3+Bx^2+Cx+D.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about how to incorporate the points into the cubic polynomial, noting the presence of multiple points but only one variable A.
  • Some participants argue that the points do not lie on a single quadratic curve, indicating that a cubic function is required instead.
  • There is a discussion about how each point can be used to generate equations that can be solved to find the coefficients A, B, C, and D in the cubic polynomial.
  • Participants clarify that each point corresponds to a separate equation, leading to a system of equations that can be solved for the unknowns.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a quadratic or cubic polynomial is appropriate. While some argue for the necessity of a cubic polynomial, others suggest that a quadratic might suffice, leading to an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the fitting of the points to the polynomial forms and the implications of having multiple points on the degree of the polynomial required. There is also ambiguity in the assumptions about the nature of the curve represented by the points.

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the curve points are:
a) (25, 43)
b) (28, 46)
c) (32, 47)
d) (35, 45)

would i use y=mx+b i think that's a straight line
 
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You are given four points on the curve, so in general, the smallest degree polynomial that would accommodate them is a cubic polynomial:

[tex]y(x)=Ax^3+Bx^2+Cx+D[/tex]

Where you can determine the constants [itex]A[/itex], [itex]B[/itex], [itex]C[/itex] and [itex]D[/itex] by plugging in the given points and solving the resulting system of 4 equations.
 
so how would i put the points of A into

[tex]y(x)=Ax^3+Bx^2+Cx+D[/tex]


cause there are 2 points and only 1 A
 
The points are not a straight-line. Try graphing them to see this for yourself. They look like a curve to me- probably quadratic and opening downwards (ie [tex]-x^2[/tex]).

If you are studying Quadratic, standard and standard form of a curve, my guess is that you only need [tex]y(x) = Ax^2 + Bx + C[/tex].
 
Bacat said:
my guess is that you only need [tex]y(x) = Ax^2 + Bx + C[/tex].

Unfortunately the points don't all lie on the same quadratic, so a cubic is necessary.
 
lucifer_x said:
so how would i put the points of A into

[tex]y(x)=Ax^3+Bx^2+Cx+D[/tex]cause there are 2 points and only 1 A

I thought a), b) c) and d) were each points on the curve in the form [itex](x_1,y_1)=(25,43)[/itex] etc...is this assumption incorrect?
 
ya that's what it is, there are 4 points on the curve
so like

[itex](x_1,y_1)=(25,43)[/itex]

is what i was thinking

but that's only one point
 
Okay, well each point gives you an equation. For example, the first point tells you:

[tex]43=A(25)^3+B(25)^2+C(25)+D[/tex]

And so using all 4 points you get 4 equations and 4 unknowns ([itex]A[/itex], [itex]B[/itex], [itex]C[/itex], and [itex]D[/itex]) allowing you to solve for them.
 
ohhh ok that makes sense thank you for making it more clear

so the almost final will look like this

[tex]43=A(15625)+B(625)+C(25)+D[/tex]

then you divide them ??
 
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You need to setup a system of four equations, then you can solve by substitution, elimination, or matrix methods to find A,B,C, and D. So it should like this like:

Equation 1: [tex]y_1(x)=Ax^3_1+Bx^2_1+Cx_1+D[/tex]

Equation 2: [tex]y_2(x)=Ax^3_2+Bx^2_2+Cx_2+D[/tex]

Equation 3: [tex]y_3(x)=Ax^3_3+Bx^2_3+Cx_3+D[/tex]

Equation 4: [tex]y_4(x)=Ax^3_4+Bx^2_4+Cx_4+D[/tex]

Plug in your coordinates for your (x,y) values above and then solve the system.
 

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