Quantifier equivalence in set theory

AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on proving the equivalence of the statements ∃xAP(x) ∨ ∃xBP(x) and ∃x(A ∪ B)P(x) in set theory. Participants highlight the confusion stemming from misinterpretations of logical implications and the definitions of the quantifiers involved. The key point is that the first statement asserts the existence of an element in either set A or set B that satisfies property P, while the second statement requires the existence of an element in the union of A and B that satisfies P. Clarifications are made regarding the logical structure of the statements, leading to a better understanding of the problem. The discussion concludes with participants acknowledging their misunderstandings and expressing intent to revisit the material for clarity.
GregA
Messages
210
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


I have been asked to show that \exists xAP(x)\vee\exists xBP(x) is equivalent to \exists x(A\cup B)P(x)



Homework Equations


1) P\rightarrow Q \equiv \neg P \vee Q
2) \neg(P\vee Q)\equiv \neg P \wedge \neg Q
3) P \vee (Q\vee R) \equiv (P\vee Q) \vee R \equiv P \vee Q\vee R


The Attempt at a Solution


\exists xAP(x)\vee\exists xBP(x)
\exists x(x\in A \rightarrow P(x))\vee\exists x(x\in B \rightarrow P(x)) definition of the above
\exists x[(x\notin A \vee P(x))\vee (x\notin B \vee P(x))] using (1)
\exists x(x\notin A \vee x\notin B \vee P(x)) using (3)
\exists x[\neg(x\in A \wedge x\in B) \vee P(x)] using (2)
\exists x[x\in (A\cap B) \rightarrow P(x)] using (1) and simplifying the expression ... \exists x(A\cap B)P(x)

This is not what the book is asking me to show though!...and I can't see where I've gone wrong either:frown: ...Starting from the RHS and trying to show it is equivalent to the LHS gets me:
\exists xAP(x)\wedge\exists xBP(x) which is still no good!

Trying to think of it in terms of words then:
Referring to A as (the set of colours of an object), referring to B as (the set of shapes of an object) and P(x) as ( P likes it) then
\exists xAP(x)\vee\exists xBP(x) is saying that if there exists a certain colour then P likes the object or if there exists a certain shape then P likes the object
My conclusion \exists x(A\cap B)P(x) however says that if there exists a certain shape AND a certain colour then P likes the object

what I am meant to show however seems correct inspite of my efforts ie: \exists x(A\cup B)P(x) if there exists a certain shape OR a certain colour then P likes the object

Can anyone show me where I'm going wrong?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
GregA said:

Homework Statement


I have been asked to show that \exists xAP(x)\vee\exists xBP(x) is equivalent to \exists x(A\cup B)P(x)
That is: "either there exist x in A such that P(x) is true or there exist x in B such that P(x) is true" is equivalent to "there exist x in A union B such that P(x) is true"



Homework Equations


1) P\rightarrow Q \equiv \neg P \vee Q
2) \neg(P\vee Q)\equiv \neg P \wedge \neg Q
3) P \vee (Q\vee R) \equiv (P\vee Q) \vee R \equiv P \vee Q\vee R


The Attempt at a Solution


\exists xAP(x)\vee\exists xBP(x)
Yes, that is one of the two statements

\exists x(x\in A \rightarrow P(x))\vee\exists x(x\in B \rightarrow P(x)) definition of the above
Are you sure that's the same thing? I would interpret this as "either there exist x such that if x is in A then P(x) is true or there exist x such that if x is in B then P(x) is true. If P(x) were false for all x in A or B, both statements would be true!

Since x in A \rightarrow x in A\cup B and x in B \right arrow x in A\cup B,
(\exists xAP(x)\vee\exists xBP(x))\rightarrow x in A\cup B P(x)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
\exists x(x\in A \rightarrow P(x))\vee\exists x(x\in B \rightarrow P(x))should be \exists x(x\in A \vee x\in B) \rightarrow P(x))
 
HallsofIvy said:
Are you sure that's the same thing? I would interpret this as "either there exist x such that if x is in A then P(x) is true or there exist x such that if x is in B then P(x) is true. If P(x) were false for all x in A or B, both statements would be true!

I see your point!...thanks for that :smile:
Will now return to my book, figure out where I mis-understood it and then try to finish this question properly

*edit* and thankyou to you Courtigrad as well...I was totally unaware of where I was messing up
 
Back
Top