Quantum mechanics operator manipulation

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of quantum mechanics operators, specifically focusing on the operator defined as \(\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} - <\hat{A}>\) and its relationship to the variance \((\Delta A)^2\) expressed as \((\Delta A)^2 = <\hat{O_A}^2>\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the operator \(\hat{O_A}\) and its expectation value, questioning how to express \(\hat{O_A}\) in terms of expectation values. There is an examination of the implications of taking the expectation of both sides of an equation involving operators.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning the steps involved in manipulating the operator and its expectation values. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of expectation values, but there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome or resolution of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics operator algebra and the implications of expectation values in this context. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity regarding the treatment of expectation values in mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement


consider operator defined as [itex]\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} -<\hat{A}>[/itex]
show that [itex](ΔA)^2=<\hat{O_A}^2>[/itex]

Homework Equations


[itex](ΔA)^2=<\hat{A}^2>-<\hat{A}>^2[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution


[itex](ΔA)^2=<\hat{A}^2>-<\hat{A}>^2[/itex]
[itex]= <\hat{A}^2> - (\hat{A} -\hat{O_A})^2[/itex]
[itex]= <\hat{A}^2> - \hat{A}^2 + 2\hat{A}<\hat{O_A}> - \hat{O_A}^2[/itex]

or

[itex]\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} -<\hat{A}>[/itex]

[itex]\hat{O_A}^2 = (\hat{A} -<\hat{A}>)^2[/itex]

[itex]\hat{O_A}^2 = \hat{A}^2-2\hat{A}<\hat{A}>+\hat{A}^2[/itex]

But I don't know how to convert the operator [itex]\hat{O_A}[/itex] into the expectation value [itex]<\hat{O_A}>[/itex]...?
 
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Tom_12 said:
[itex]\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} -<\hat{A}>[/itex]

[itex]\hat{O_A}^2 = (\hat{A} -<\hat{A}>)^2[/itex]

[itex]\hat{O_A}^2 = \hat{A}^2-2\hat{A}<\hat{A}>+\hat{A}^2[/itex]

But I don't know how to convert the operator [itex]\hat{O_A}[/itex] into the expectation value [itex]<\hat{O_A}>[/itex]...?

What happens when the expectation of both sides of the last line is taken?
 
George Jones said:
What happens when the expectation of both sides of the last line is taken?

Does this happen:

[itex]<\hat{O_A}^2> = <\hat{A}^2>-2<\hat{A}><\hat{A}>+<\hat{A}>^2[/itex]

[itex]<\hat{O_A}^2> = <\hat{A}^2>-2<\hat{A}>^2+<\hat{A}>^2[/itex]

[itex]<\hat{O_A}^2> = (ΔA)^2[/itex]...?

I am not sure what happens when you take the expectation value of a term that is already an expectation value, does it just remains unchanged?
 
An expectation value is just a number, so yes, it remains unchanged.
 
Oh yes, of course. Thank you.
 

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