Question about approaching light speed of a rotating object

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The discussion centers around the observable effects of a rotating disc or wheel approaching the speed of light, particularly focusing on relativistic phenomena such as blue and red shifts, aging of different parts of the disc, and the implications of relativistic speeds in astronomical contexts.

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  • One participant inquires about the visual effects of a disc rotating at relativistic speeds, specifically regarding blue and red shifts observed from different angles.
  • Another participant suggests that the center of the disc would appear different from the edges due to varying rotational speeds.
  • A later reply emphasizes that using a theory to predict outcomes under different conditions may not be valid, indicating a need for caution in assumptions.
  • One participant speculates about the relativistic speeds of stars in disc-shaped galaxies and their observable effects, noting that blue and red shifts would depend on the observer's angle relative to the disc.
  • It is proposed that parts of the disc moving towards the observer would appear to age faster, while those moving away would age more slowly, although this may vary due to the accelerated frame of reference.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the observable effects of a rotating disc at relativistic speeds, with no consensus reached on the implications or the validity of certain assumptions. Some ideas are contested, particularly regarding the application of theoretical predictions.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of relativistic effects, the challenges of measuring such phenomena, and the unresolved nature of assumptions regarding the behavior of light and aging in accelerated frames.

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this is my first post so please be gentile with me

what would a wheel or a disc turning at a speed approaching that of light look like

my knowledge of the subject it quite small

but say the disc was rotating clock wise then looking at it from its right side would the top half look like it was blue shifted and would the bottom half look like it was red shifted
also would that mean that the blue shifted area of the disc be ageing more quickly and the red shifted area be ageing more slowly.

and looking at it straight on would the centre of the disc look different to the edges of it because it the centre is rotating slower than the edge.

any thought's would be appreciated

sorry about the lack of punctuation if this is in the wrong part of the forum i Apologize if some one could direct me to a more appropriate section it would be appreciated
 
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thanks for the link ghwell jr its sort of helps i understand that spinning a disc up to that sort of speed is near impossible but if it was. what would the observable effects be. but thanks all the same :)
 
I think the point is that you cannot use a theory that predicts one thing to ask what that theory would predict if it predicted something different. There are lots more threads that deal with this subject if you search on "disc" in this forum.
 
I wonder whether any galaxies (some of which are disc shaped) spin fast enough that stars on the rim are moving at relativistic speeds relative to the centre, or to stars antipodally opposite them.

Regarding your specific questions, I would expect the answers to be as follows:

If you are looking along the axis you will see no red or blue shift, because the direction of motion of the disc's rim is perpendicular to the line from you to it.

If you are looking at a nonzero angle to the axis, there will be some part of the rim that has a maximal component of velocity towards you and the antipodal part will have a maximal component of velocity away from you. You will see light traveling from those parts to you as blue and red shifted respectively, but the effect will probably be too small to measure for an artificial disc. For a galaxy, it may be measurable, depending on the answer to the first question above.

The parts moving towards you would be aging (in your observer's reference frame) fast and those moving away would be aging slowly. So in a complete circuit I would expect the amount of aging you perceive to be the same as in the comoving reference frame (maybe not, though, as it's an accelerated frame). Here I'm thinking of a pulsar on the rim of said galaxy. It will appear to be pulsing faster (than in its own co-moving reference frame) when it's moving towards you and more slowly when moving away.
 

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