Question about Dirac Delta function

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The discussion centers on the application of the Dirac delta function in the context of Griffiths' "Intro to Electrodynamics." It clarifies that the integral involving the delta function, when integrating over primed variables, results in a function evaluated at the unprimed variable, specifically D(r). The confusion arises from the expectation that the result should yield D(r') instead. The participants confirm that the delta function's properties dictate that the integration effectively collapses to the value of D at the unprimed point, reinforcing the understanding of the delta function's role in such integrals. The conversation concludes with a clarification of the even nature of the delta function, resolving earlier misunderstandings.
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In page 555, Appendix B of Intro to electrodynamics by D Griffiths:
\nabla\cdot \vec F=-\nabla^2U=-\frac{1}{4\pi}\int D\nabla^2\left(\frac{1}{\vec{\vartheta}}\right)d\tau'=\int D(\vec r')\delta^3(\vec r-\vec r')d\tau'=D(\vec r)
where ##\;\vec{\vartheta}=\vec r-\vec r'##.

Is it supposed to be equal to ##D(\vec r')## as equation (1.98) in page 50 stated ##\int f(\vec r)\delta(\vec r-\vec a)d\tau'=f(\vec a)##?

Thanks
 
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I don't precisely understand, what's your question. The most non-trivial statement is that
\Delta_{\vec{x}} \frac{1}{4 \pi |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}=\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x}-\vec{x}').
To prove this, it is most simple to solve for the Green's function of the Laplace operator, i.e.,
\Delta G(\vec{x})=-\delta(\vec{x}).
One way is to use the method of Fourier transformation, i.e., write
G(\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^3} \tilde{G}(\vec{k})\exp(\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}).
Then you find
\Delta G(\vec{x})=-\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^3}\vec{k}^2 \tilde{G}(\vec{k})\exp(\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}).
On the other hand, the Dirac \delta distribution (it's not a function but a distribution!) has the Fourier representation
\delta^{(3)}(\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^3}\exp(\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x}).
This implies
\tilde{G}(\vec{k})=\frac{1}{\vec{k}^2}.
Now you have to do the Fourier transform. Unfortunately the integral is not absolutely convergent. This we cure by restricting the integration in momentum space to the ball of radius \Lambda,
G(\vec{x})=\int_{B_{\Lambda}} \frac{\mathrm{d}^3 \vec{k}}{(2 \pi)^3} \frac{\exp(\mathrm{i} \vec{k} \cdot \vec{x})}{\vec{k}^2}.
We introduce spherical coordinates with polar axis in direction of \vec{x}. Then we can do the angular integrals immediately (substituting u=\cos \vartheta)
G(\vec{x})=\frac{1}{4 \pi^2} \int_0^{\Lambda} \mathrm{d} K \int_{-1}^1 \mathrm{d} u \exp(\mathrm{i} K r u)=\frac{1}{2 \pi^2 r} \int_0^{\Lambda} \frac{\sin(k r)}{k}.
Now we can let \Lambda \rightarrow \infty and use the standard integral
\int_0^{\infty} \mathrm{d} k \frac{\sin(k r)}{k}=\frac{\pi}{2}
to finally obtain
G(\vec{x})=\frac{1}{4\pi |\vec{x}|}.
 
yungman said:
In page 555, Appendix B of Intro to electrodynamics by D Griffiths:
\nabla\cdot \vec F=-\nabla^2U=-\frac{1}{4\pi}\int D\nabla^2\left(\frac{1}{\vec{\vartheta}}\right)d\tau'=\int D(\vec r')\delta^3(\vec r-\vec r')d\tau'=D(\vec r)
where ##\;\vec{\vartheta}=\vec r-\vec r'##.

Is it supposed to be equal to ##D(\vec r')## as equation (1.98) in page 50 stated ##\int f(\vec r)\delta(\vec r-\vec a)d\tau'=f(\vec a)##?

Thanks

No. In that last equation, the integration is with respect to the "primed" values and the result is f of the unprimed a. In the equation you are asking about, the integration is again with respect to the "primed" variables and the result is again a function of the unprimed variable.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No. In that last equation, the integration is with respect to the "primed" values and the result is f of the unprimed a. In the equation you are asking about, the integration is again with respect to the "primed" variables and the result is again a function of the unprimed variable.

Thanks for your response. That's exactly my question. I don't understand why using ##D(\vec r)## instead of ##D(\vec r')##?

I don't understand why ##\int D(\vec r')\delta^3(\vec r-\vec r')d\tau'=D(\vec r) ## where integration with respect to the "primed" variables gives a function of the unprimed variable? Is it like this:
\int D(\vec r')\delta^3(\vec r-\vec r')d\tau'=-\int D(\vec r')\delta^3(\vec r'-\vec r)d\tau'=D(\vec r)
as ##\delta(-x)=-\delta(x)\Rightarrow\;\delta^3(\vec r-\vec r')=-\delta^3(\vec r'-\vec r)##

Thanks for your help.
 
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Its because the primed r inside of the D is just a tool for you to note that you are integrating that function over all space, while weighting it with the 3-D point function.

Once you do the integral, it takes on the value of the function D evaluated at the point r (unprimed). The function at all other points outside of that the integral is zero because its weight with the Dirac function
 
yungman said:
as ##\delta(-x)=-\delta(x)\Rightarrow\;\delta^3(\vec r-\vec r')=-\delta^3(\vec r'-\vec r)##
how did you got that?Delta function is an even function.What you have written holds for δ'(-x).
 
andrien said:
how did you got that?Delta function is an even function.What you have written holds for δ'(-x).

I double check my notes, I was wrong.
\delta(-x)=\delta(x)\; and \; \delta(\vec r-\vec r')=\delta(\vec r'-\vec r)

Does this work better?
 
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