Question about entropy=0 in an irreversible process

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The discussion centers on the calculation of entropy for an irreversible process, specifically questioning the implication of obtaining a ΔS=0 for a transition between two states of a monatomic gas. The user presents an example with specific initial and final conditions, suggesting that this result could indicate that any path between these states is reversible, which contradicts established thermodynamic principles. However, it is clarified that for an irreversible process, the total entropy change must account for all interacting parts, leading to ΔS>0. The example of free expansion illustrates that while the gas may return to the same state, the overall entropy of the system and surroundings increases. Thus, the conclusion reinforces that irreversible processes cannot have a net entropy change of zero when considering the entire system.
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We learned about calculating entropy in my physics 2 class, and i came up with an example that my professor couldn't answer, so I was hoping someone here could shed some light on this for me.

We learned that change in entropy for an irreversible process be represented by changes in entropy of reversible process as long as both reversible and irreversible paths have the same initial and final states.

so here are my two states for 1 mole of a monatomic gas.
P0=1kPa
V0=1m3
T0=\frac{500000}{4157}K≈120.279K

P=500Pa
V=23/5m3≈1.516m3
T=\frac{906987}{9950}K≈91.154K

These two states lie on a reversible adiabatic path.
Calculating the entropy using (using fractions, instead of approximate values)
ΔS=nCvln(\frac{T}{T0})+nRln(\frac{V}{V0})
ΔS=(1)(\frac{3}{2})(8.314)ln(\frac{≈120.279}{≈91.154})+(1)(8.314)ln(\frac{≈1.516}{1})
ΔS=0

Would this not imply then that any real path between these two states is reversible, or that it is possible for an ireversable path to have a ΔS=0? Both of which we learned were not possible.Is this in the correct place or should it be in Homework & Coursework Questions?
 
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For an irreversible process (not path!) ending up in that same state the entropy of something else will increase.

For example, if we allow the gas to free expand to the final volume (an irreversible process), its final temperature will be be the same as the initial temperature. To reach the desired state we could place it in contact with a temperature reservoir at 91.154K. The heat transferred will increase the entropy of that reservoir.

Any irreversible process will end up with ΔS>0, when you include all of the interacting parts.
 
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