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The discussion centers on the mathematical equality presented in Chapter 9 of "Jackson's Classic Electrodynamics, 3rd Edition," specifically regarding the integration by parts of the current density vector \(\mathbf{J}\). The key insight is that the equality holds under the condition that the divergence of \(\mathbf{J}\) is zero, or that the charge density \(\frac{d\rho}{dt} = 0\). The derivation involves expressing \(\mathbf{J}\) in Cartesian components, integrating by parts, and applying the assumption that \(\mathbf{J}\) approaches zero at infinity. This leads to the conclusion that the integral identity is valid regardless of whether \(\mathbf{J}\) is a solenoidal field.

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Hi there, I am reading Chapter 9 of Jackson Classic Electrodynamics 3rd edition, and I don't see why this equality is true, it says "integrating by parts", but I still don't know... any help?

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Write \mathbf J as the sum of its Cartesian components and then write the integral as the sum of three integrals of the three Cartesian components. Then integrate by parts each integral, but the J_x w.r.t. to x and so on! If you consider the integrals to be from -\infty to \infty and take \mathbf J to be zero at infinities, you'll get what you want.
 
That equality depends on div J=0 (or d\rho/dt=0).
 
Just my derivation. For an arbitrary constant vector ##\vec{n}## we have
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot [(\vec{n} \cdot \vec{x}) \vec{j}]=(\vec{n} \cdot \vec{x}) \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{j} + \vec{n} \cdot \vec{j}.$$
Now integrate this over the whole space and assume that ##\vec{j}## goes to 0 quickly enough at infinity (or most realistically that it has compact support). Then the left-hand side vanishes, because it's a divergence, and thus can be transformed to a surface integral, which vanishes at infinity, if ##\vec{j}## vanishes quickly enough. This implies
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} \; \vec{n} \cdot \vec{j} = -\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} \; (\vec{n} \cdot \vec{x} ) \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{j}.$$
Now use for ##\vec{n}## the three basis vectors of a cartesian reference frame, and you see that the vector equation stated by Jackson holds.

It's independent of whether ##\vec{j}## is a solenoidal field or not. Of course in the case of stationary currents it must be one, but the integral identity is generally valid.
 
Sorry about that. I was thinking cases where j appears with other variables.
 

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