Question about noether's theorem argument

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The discussion centers on Noether's theorem and the conditions under which a transformation leads to a conserved current. It highlights that while a transformation with a constant parameter maintains symmetry, a variable parameter introduces complications, necessitating that the change in the Lagrangian be proportional to the derivative of that parameter. The argument presented suggests that higher-order terms in a Taylor expansion of the Lagrangian vanish due to the infinitesimal nature of the transformation, leaving only first-order terms. The conversation also critiques the lack of clarity in textbooks regarding the justification for focusing on the derivative form, emphasizing the need for a more intuitive explanation. Ultimately, the discussion seeks to clarify the reasoning behind the mathematical treatment of these transformations in the context of Noether's theorem.
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Given a lagrangian L[\phi], where \phi is a generic label for all the fields of the system, a transformation \phi(x) \rightarrow \phi(x) + \epsilon \delta \phi(x) that leaves the lagrangian invariant corresponds to a conserved current by the following argument.

If we were to send \phi(x) \rightarrow \phi(x) + \epsilon(x) \delta \phi(x), this would not in general be a symmetry, but would be in the special case that \epsilon is constant. Therefore*, the change in the lagrangian must be proportional to the derivative of \epsilon(x), that is:

\delta L = j^\mu (x) \partial_\mu \epsilon(x)

Now when the equations of motion are satisfied, all infinitessimal variations, symmetries or not, leave the action unchanges, so in this case we must have:

0 = \delta S = \int d^4x j^\mu (x) \partial_\mu \epsilon(x)

or, integrating by parts:


0 = \int d^4x \epsilon(x) \partial_\mu j^\mu (x)

Since \epsilon(x) is arbitrary, this implies \partial_\mu j^\mu(x) = 0.

My problem is with the part marked by a *. Just because something vanishes when \epsilon is constant, why should we expect the thing to be proportional to the dderivative of \epsilon(x)? I could imagine other dependences. For example, the following things all vanish when \epsilon(x) is constant:

(j^\mu \partial_\mu \epsilon(x) )^2

\partial^2 \epsilon(x)

\epsilon(x+1) - \epsilon(x)

I could go on. Granted, you could eliminate these examples individually, eg, the variation should be linear and local in \epsilon(x), and by integrating by parts we can turn the middle one into the desired form. But there are other examples, and I'm wondering how we can argue for the form \partial_\mu \epsilon directly rather than eliminating these other possibilities one by one.
 
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Try expanding L as a Taylor series in (\epsilon \delta \phi). Then because \delta \phi is by definition infinitesimal, the higher-order terms vanish.

Now, because you are looking at the change in L under infinitesimal variations, the zeroth-order term also vanishes. What you should be left with is the first-order term.
 
So the taylor expansion would have to be a sum over all terms of the form:

\Pi_{i, m_i, n_i} ({\partial_i}^{m_i} \epsilon(x) )^{n_i}

where the product is over some subset of the values i, m_i, and n_i could take, and the sum would be over all such subsets. This is a pretty extreme generalization of taylors theorem. If it is true, then I guess we could argue we can ignore terms except those of the form:

{\partial_i}^{m_i} \epsilon (x)

and then integrate by parts. This might be what they mean, but if so, it isn't very satisfying or intuitive, and they really skipped over a lot of details.
 
I'm actually the OP, I illegally had two user names, painfive is now gone. But I'd still like someone to tell me if this taylor's theorem argument is the way to go.
 
painfive said:
My problem is with the part marked by a *. Just because something vanishes when \epsilon is constant, why should we expect the thing to be proportional to the dderivative of \epsilon(x)? I could imagine other dependences. For example, the following things all vanish when \epsilon(x) is constant:

(j^\mu \partial_\mu \epsilon(x) )^2

\partial^2 \epsilon(x)

\epsilon(x+1) - \epsilon(x)

I could go on. Granted, you could eliminate these examples individually, eg, the variation should be linear and local in \epsilon(x), and by integrating by parts we can turn the middle one into the desired form. But there are other examples, and I'm wondering how we can argue for the form \partial_\mu \epsilon directly rather than eliminating these other possibilities one by one.


I hate to see the beautiful theory made ugly by some textbooks! And I also hate the method that I will describe below!
Let us consider the infinitesimal transformation

\phi \rightarrow \phi + \delta \phi ,

\delta \phi = F( \phi ) \epsilon (x) , \ \ | \epsilon | \ll 1

Infinitesimal means that

\epsilon^{n} \approx 0, \ \forall n > 1

This transformation induces an infinitesimal change in the Lagrangian according to

\delta \mathcal{L} = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} F( \phi ) \epsilon + \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \partial_{a} \phi} \epsilon \partial_{a} F + \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \partial_{a} \phi} F \partial_{a} \epsilon

Now, we define the objects

J^{a} \equiv \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \partial_{a} \phi} \ F( \phi )

and

E( \phi ) = \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \phi} - \partial_{a} \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \partial_{a} \phi } \right)

and rewrite the change in the Lagrangian as

\delta \mathcal{L} = \left( E( \phi ) F + \partial_{a} J^{a} \right) \epsilon + J^{a} \partial_{a} \epsilon

Notice that the first term represents the infinitesimal change in \mathcal{L} for constant \epsilon. So, we can write

\delta \mathcal{L} = \delta \mathcal{L}|_{\epsilon = \mbox{const.}} + J^{a} \partial_{a}\epsilon

Now, if for CONSTANT \epsilon, the transformation above is a symmetry, i.e., if the (Noether) identity

\delta \mathcal{L}|_{\epsilon = \mbox{conct.}} = E( \phi ) F( \phi ) + \partial_{a}J^{a} = 0

is satisfied, then the change in the lagrangian will be given by

\delta \mathcal{L} = J^{a}\partial_{a}\epsilon

where J^{a} now is the conserved current of the corresponding GLOBAL symmetry; notice that the Noether identity above implies \partial_{a}J^{a} = 0 ON-SHELL, i.e., when the field satisfies the equation of motion E( \phi ) = 0.

Regards

sam
 
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