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The discussion revolves around calculating the mixed partial derivative of the function z = x² + 2y², where x and y are expressed in terms of r and t. The user initially applies the chain rule incorrectly, leading to confusion about the correct method for finding ∂²z/(∂y∂t). It is clarified that the mixed partial derivative should be computed by differentiating z with respect to y first, followed by t, rather than treating x as a function of t. The discrepancy between the user's answer and the book's answer suggests a misunderstanding of the differentiation order and the relationships between the variables. Proper application of the mixed partial derivative rules is essential for arriving at the correct solution.
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I have a multivariable function z = x2 + 2y2 such that x = rcos(t) and y = rsin(t). I was asked to find
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(I know the d's should technically be curly, but I am not the best at LaTeX). I thought this would just be a simple application of chain rule:
2/(∂y∂t) = (∂z/∂x)(ⅆx/ⅆt) + (∂z/∂y)(ⅆy/ⅆt)
but apparently this is not the case. Could someone perhaps explain why this is not the right thing to do. When I did it this way I got 2x = 2rcos(t) = 2ycot(t) as my answer, but my book says the answer is -2y2cot(t)csc2(t) and I have no clue what they are doing.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
 
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BigFlorida said:
I have a multivariable function z = x2 + 2y2 such that x = rcos(t) and y = rsin(t). I was asked to find View attachment 89836 (I know the d's should technically be curly, but I am not the best at LaTeX). I thought this would just be a simple application of chain rule:
2/(∂y∂t) = (∂z/∂x)(ⅆx/ⅆt) + (∂z/∂y)(ⅆy/ⅆt)
but apparently this is not the case. Could someone perhaps explain why this is not the right thing to do. When I did it this way I got 2x = 2rcos(t) = 2ycot(t) as my answer, but my book says the answer is -2y2cot(t)csc2(t) and I have no clue what they are doing.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
The derivative, ## \frac {∂^2z}{∂y∂t} ## is known as a mixed partial derivative. Since the expression contains only the function z differentiated w.r.t. y and t, there is no need to differentiate z w.r.t. x. You may differentiate z w.r.t. y first, then w.r.t. t next.
 
@SteamKing But does it not matter that x is a function of t, and (through the relation with r) a function of y? And the only way the book's answer makes sense is if you substituted rcos(t) = ycot(t) into x^2 then differentiate that, treating 2y^2 as a constant, which knocks it out completely.
 
BigFlorida said:
I have a multivariable function z = x2 + 2y2 such that x = rcos(t) and y = rsin(t). I was asked to find View attachment 89836 (I know the d's should technically be curly, but I am not the best at LaTeX). I thought this would just be a simple application of chain rule:
2/(∂y∂t) = (∂z/∂x)(ⅆx/ⅆt) + (∂z/∂y)(ⅆy/ⅆt)
but apparently this is not the case. Could someone perhaps explain why this is not the right thing to do. When I did it this way I got 2x = 2rcos(t) = 2ycot(t) as my answer, but my book says the answer is -2y2cot(t)csc2(t) and I have no clue what they are doing.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.
I'm confused as to what you're doing. In the first paragraph, you write ##\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial t \partial y}##, but later you write the opposite order, ##\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial y \partial t}##. The first mixed partial is the same as this: ##\frac{\partial }{\partial t} \frac{\partial z}{\partial y}##. In the second mixed partial, the differentiation occurs in the opposite order.

Here's the LaTeX I used, tweaked a bit so that it won't render:
##\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial t \partial y}##
##\frac{\partial^2 z}{\partial y \partial t}##
##\frac{\partial }{\partial t} \frac{\partial z}{\partial y}##
 

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