Question about photoelectric effect?

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The discussion revolves around the photoelectric effect, specifically focusing on the conditions under which electrons absorb photons and the relationship between photon energy, work function, and emitted electron energy. Participants explore both atomic and solid-state perspectives on the phenomenon.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an electron can only absorb a photon with energy corresponding to specific energy levels in an atom, with excess energy converted to kinetic energy (KE).
  • Others argue that there is a minimum energy, known as the work function, required for electrons to escape from a metal surface, which is expressed in terms of frequency.
  • One participant emphasizes that the photoelectric effect is governed by the equation relating the energy of incident light to the maximum kinetic energy of emitted electrons and the work function.
  • There is a question raised about whether the photoelectric effect can occur on an atomic scale, as work function is typically associated with solid metals.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of photoactive surfaces and the role of atomic absorption of photons in the emission of photoelectrons, highlighting the importance of surface interactions.
  • Some mention the potential for internal conversion processes, such as Auger electrons, and the need for energy conservation in these mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms and conditions of the photoelectric effect, particularly concerning the roles of work function and atomic versus solid-state interactions. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the photoelectric effect, including the dependence on material properties, photon energy sources, and the specific conditions under which photoemission occurs. There are references to additional resources for further exploration of the topic.

Clara Chung
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I think that an electron only absorb a photon with energy corresponding to the energy levels in an atom.

If the energy of a photon is higher than the energy between a specific energy level and infinity level (0 eV), it can also absorb the photon and the remained energy is changed to KE.
Am I right?
 
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Clara Chung said:
I think that an electron only absorb a photon with energy corresponding to the energy levels in an atom.

If the energy of a photon is higher than the energy between a specific energy level and infinity level (0 eV), it can also absorb the photon and the remained energy is changed to KE.
Let us examin/revisit the event of photo-emission...

The energy of emitted photo electrons is directly proportional to the frequency of incident light.It has also been observed that there must be a minimum energy needed for electrons to

escape from a particular metal surface and is called work function 'W' for that

metal.


The work function can be expressed in terms of frequency as, W= h. frequency(0)

the Photoelectric effect obey the equation,

h.frequency of incident light = k.E. (max) + W
on the above backdrop how you place your argument?
 
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drvrm said:
Let us examin/revisit the event of photo-emission...

The energy of emitted photo electrons is directly proportional to the frequency of incident light.It has also been observed that there must be a minimum energy needed for electrons to

escape from a particular metal surface and is called work function 'W' for that

metal.


The work function can be expressed in terms of frequency as, W= h. frequency(0)

the Photoelectric effect obey the equation,

h.frequency of incident light = k.E. (max) + W
on the above backdrop how you place your argument?

Work function is for a metal solid, can't photoelectric effect occur on an atom scale?
 
Clara Chung said:
Work function is for a metal solid, can't photoelectric effect occur on an atom scale?

When one is devising experiments of getting photo electrons from atoms of a particular kind...the atoms are in the form of a 'material' or layer of those atoms called 'Photo active surface/coatings'-

the name photo electrons is derived by the mechanism of energy transfer from a photon quantum to a bound electron in the atom of the active material ;
so basically its atomic absorption of photons - the work function has to be there as one is not having scattering of photon with a free atom ....
the array of atoms are also bound in a structure with surface interaction potentials and the ejected electron has to cross it to be registered as a photo current.

Moreover if one looks at Photo electron spectroscopy with variety of photon sources of higher energies
like UV or X-ray sources the spectroscopy helps to unravel the atomic structure.

There may be also "internal conversion" of emitted photons of an atom giving rise to photo electrons called "Auger electrons" but in each case the energy conservation has to be accounted for .
For more details about the the spectroscopy and variety of mechanisms one can look up the wiki or XAS(X-ray photoelectrons ) sites
Such as
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoelectric_effect#Three-step_model> and some more...
 
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