Question about potential energy in capacitors

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The discussion revolves around the concept of potential energy in capacitors, specifically how to derive the equation for the work done to charge a capacitor. Participants explore the relationship between charge, voltage, and work in the context of capacitor charging.

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  • One participant questions the derivation of the equation dW = v dq, expressing confusion about how it relates to the definition of voltage and work done.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship can be understood intuitively, noting that work done is related to the charge moved and the voltage present.
  • A different participant elaborates on the definition of voltage as energy per charge, indicating that for a small increase in charge, the increase in energy can be expressed as dE = VdQ, while acknowledging that voltage changes slightly during charging.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the explanation provided, indicating that the answer was clear and aligned with their understanding of voltage.

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Participants generally agree on the relationship between work, charge, and voltage, but there is some uncertainty regarding the derivation of the specific equation dW = v dq and how to handle the changing voltage during charging.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the constancy of charge and the nature of voltage changes during the charging process, which may not be fully resolved.

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Hello,

I'm studying capacitors in my freshman physics class and I'm not quite following my book here.

My book states that we can calculate the potential energy U stored within a capacitor by calculating the work done to charge it. Let q and v be the charge and the potential difference, respectively, at an intermediate stage during charging.

To transfer an additional element of charge dq, the work dW required is given by

dW = v dq

I'm not quite seeing how they got the above equation though. I'm aware that the work from point a to b divided by a unit charge gives the difference in voltage, but I'm not seeing how they can get the above equation from that and I'm clueless as to how else they'd get it from.

Any clarification would be much appreciated.
 
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Intuitively you probably already understand the concept expressed in that equation. For a given increment of work you can move a given increment of charge with a particular voltage. If you increase the voltage, you can move less charge for the same amount of work.

If you then move on to unit analysis, you can see that work is joules, charge is coulombs, and volts can be expressed in many different ways, one of which is joules/coulomb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt). so just given the units you get V =J/C which can also be written J = V*C which is equiv. to W = V*Q or dW = vdQ.

Your description of work from a to b breaks down to V = J/C
 
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Hello Mangoes! :smile:
Mangoes said:
To transfer an additional element of charge dq, the work dW required is given by

dW = v dq

I'm not quite seeing how they got the above equation though. I'm aware that the work from point a to b divided by a unit charge gives the difference in voltage …


difference in energy = work done (∆E = W)

voltage (= electric potential energy difference) is defined as energy per charge (V = ∆E/Q, or ∆E = QV)

this assumes the charge, Q, is constant: if it isn't (as in a capacitor), we have to write a differential equation:
for a small increase dQ in charge, the small increase in energy is dE = VdQ​
(strictly, V is changing slightly, so it's between VdQ and (V+dV)dQ, but the difference is dVdQ, a double-differential which we ignore)
 
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which is a much better explanation!
 
Ah, the answer was right in front of my face. It follows from the definition of voltage.

Thanks a lot for the help!
 

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